Anonymous, Got an issue? Post here. STOP off-topic'ing
Posted 23 November 2011 - 04:26 AM
So uh.. quote the post and/or link a topic and discuss. KEEP IT OUT OF THE MAIN TOPIC.
Posted 23 November 2011 - 04:31 AM
1) RTFM was not said in that thread at all.
also, look! a guest giving (unhelpful) help!
Sure, he's helping. but gives no info, no links, just a potential answer. then a non-anon is nice and explains stuff.
So anons, please stop arguing/ranting. it goes both ways. If you want us to be 'nicer' and give more info and answers, you need to aswell.
What are you talking about. Providing a solution is way nicer than throwing the word RTFM. If you want guests to be nicer you are the one who need to start being nice.
2) although it is nice in 1 way, it is also NOT helpful in another way.
The user does not learn anything except "it might work". He doesn't learn why A_Index needs to be outside the quotes and the 2 sections around the variable are re-wrapped in quotes.
If you directly spoon-feed the answer, give an explanation too.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. - Chinese Proverb
Posted 23 November 2011 - 09:57 AM
Depending on the question, a simple code correction is all what the asked person needs. In your example an explanation or point to the right place in the documentation would not only be nice, but needed.
I think, let such people post simple corrections, thats better than nothing. And I have absolutely no problem with them.
And I like this quote:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:27 PM
Posted 23 November 2011 - 04:20 PM
@nimda dont you think in fairness that perhaps sometimes offer the more complex solution (class definition etc). Yes there are plenty of ingrates in our forum. but sometimes we egg it on too :wink: I am by no means suggesting this is the case most of the time but it does happen dont you think?
now to all the guests who come to this forum asking for a fish
When you post your are asking for the kindness of others who have in most cases only separated themselves from you by taking the time to learn the environment by example and documentation. I would say of those asking where a rtm is not the appropriate response 90% are just Folks who do not understand how to develop an algorithm. 5% want to find a way to overcome game restrictions and refuse to acknowledge it may not work. and the last bit are litterally trying to re invent the wheel of some windows based utilities
Posted 23 November 2011 - 05:26 PM
Would you call writing x64 compatible scripts reinventing the wheel?
the last bit are litterally trying to re invent the wheel of some windows based utilities
Posted 23 November 2011 - 06:18 PM
Further more i was refering to things like screen locks and protecting content etc
Posted 24 November 2011 - 03:34 AM
Also, as I said before, I have very rarely seen a "rtfm" or "google it" or "search for it".
Those that have said that stuff often times link directly to the needed material.
I understand not everyone may know english perfectly, but they can ask "what does this mean?" on the linked pages. Prove they atleast put forth a little bit of effort. Not just a half-arsed "how do i autofir? tnx".
I can also quote a section from the ubuntu rules.
Linking to a doc page is polite. Linking them to multiple pages is also polite.
RTFM [and] "Go look on google" are two inappropriate responses to a question. If you don't know the answer or don't wish to, please say nothing instead of brushing off someone's question. Politely showing someone how you searched or obtained the answer to a question is acceptable, even encouraged.
If you wish to remind a user to use search tools or other resources when they have asked a question you feel is basic or common, please be very polite. Any replies for help that contain language disrespectful towards the user asking the question, i.e. "STFU" or "RTFM" are unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
Some stats: I searched for "RTFM" in the Ask for Help section in the past year.
I found about ~5 negative RTFM's.
. of those, a couple were by Guests.
. Someone also mis-understood and apologized.
. On one of them, someone gave a link to the info and some basic help, but the person needing got a bit moody and just wanted to be spoon fed without trying.
And there were several occurrences where the person needing help said "I should have RTFM'd" (people telling themselves to rtfm? Nice.).
Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:01 AM
Whichever Guest is making these posts: STOP going off-topic.
Sorry, I thought it was the "General Chat", "Whats on your mind" topic.
There are 66 pages in "Whats on your mind" and it covers many topics.
The first topic was
Minecraft has been on my mind for a while now, I can't stop playing :?
Should we have stayed with that topic on all 66 pages.
NO. The topic does change. That is why it is called General Chat.
Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:08 AM
I won't Give a F*** how you guys treat new members. I have seen tank tell a new member to "go away".
I don't understand how this is tolerated. Seems like the moderators encourage RTFM replies.
Seems like the moderators encourage the "Good ole guys" to be rude.
I just don't get it.
I don't even know who the moderators are, but they certainly don't appear to be welcoming new members. No I am not a new member. I have been a member for over 3 years.
Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:12 AM
Thats true but there has never been a 2.5 page debate on a single topic in that thread. and the topic is "whats on your mind ... update your status daily or weekly" not "debate your opinion with 5 others and keep going in circles."
Break out and make a new topic. Or maybe a Mod can do that for you.
@ 2nd Guest
Please define your idea of an RTFM post and give some recent samples (preferably 'rude' ones that makes your blood boil).
Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:17 AM
I posted about RTFM because that is "What was on my mind".
Sorry for misunderstanding the purpose of that thread.
Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:19 AM
However, how can I tell which one did? you all hide under the same mask, put no effort in even adding a 1 or 3869 or ImAGuest to your name.
Looking back, it lightly starts out on page 63, post 2. the escalates to where we are now.
Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:38 AM
if however your talking about this
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the That was neither rude nor smart ass. it was sincere. that is exactly the kind of poster that we should run out of dodge or give a severe wake up call too
For those that disagree Your welcomed to. However I will always take an offensive stance against being supportive of black hat code requests. this isn't a hacker forum and i don't want to see that sort of element around here i don't really think any one else seriously does either.