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PostPosted: October 3rd, 2008, 12:45 am 
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I'm posting this here because of my reason for wanting a new keyboard.
AHK lets me customize things, and my Logitech kb works against me on that, so I want to replace it with one that doesn't mind working with AHK :)

I want to find a keyboard that doesn't require manufacturer's drivers to map every button

Right now, I'm dealing with a Logitech MX3200 combo and I only use 8/36 multimedia keys essentially because the rest require me to install Logitech software for windows/AHK to recognize the other keys

(I do know about the HID script: it lets me get about half of those other buttons)

I love the way this kb combo feels and looks but the lack of customizability (short of installing bloatware) is more than I can take


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PostPosted: October 3rd, 2008, 5:50 am 
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Logitech G11.

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PostPosted: October 3rd, 2008, 2:52 pm 
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I think this topic would be better suited for general chat... But either way, though I haven't actually used it yet, I've been looking into the MicroSoft "Recluse" keyboard. It looks pretty nice, seems like it would work well, and is about $30-$50 cheaper than most other gaming keyboards. Blue Backlight, and a sleek black design.


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PostPosted: October 4th, 2008, 1:36 pm 
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I wasn't looking for a gaming keyboard.

Does anyone know if any certain manufacturer usually puts simple scancodes on the keys?


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PostPosted: October 4th, 2008, 9:30 pm 
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I know that logitech likes to bundle extra buttons under a virtual HID, separate from the keyboard or mouse, so that it's tricky to catch the input with micha's HID support...

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PostPosted: October 5th, 2008, 3:21 am 
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[VxE] wrote:
I know that logitech likes to bundle extra buttons under a virtual HID, separate from the keyboard or mouse, so that it's tricky to catch the input with micha's HID support...


The logitech drivers, IIRC, created 5 different HID devices

between the ones that I captured scancodes from (3, I believe) I still had more than a few keys that produced nothing and I also had several keys that produced identical scancodes

The mouse has three zoom buttons, two of which produced scancodes from the keyboard hid device and the third produced nothing

On the keyboard, there is a scroll wheel that can be tilted left/right and it produces two scancodes each time either one is pressed

The last annoyance I remember is that tilting the scroll wheel on the mouse left/right can not be differentiated from pushing left/right on the keyboard even though in SetPoint it can be.


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PostPosted: October 6th, 2008, 6:58 pm 
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I have been looking into this as well. My search points to the Logitech G11 also because it has the most extra function keys. It doesn't matter that it was designed for gaming. I haven't found a single keyboard thats designed for programming macros. I couldn't find anything with more function keys.

Has anyone tried using a seperate numpad (when you already have one on your keyboard) to get extra keys?

I also just thought, if you have have enough desk space, you may be able to plug in multiple keyboards...don't know how that would work out tho...


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PostPosted: October 6th, 2008, 11:57 pm 
Try a razor keyboard

Those keyboards contain onboard yes onboard chipsets.
Wich can be programed at will, so you dont have too install drivers and
template on each pc or laptop your hooking it up too.


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PostPosted: October 7th, 2008, 2:41 am 
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joemoeschmoe wrote:
I have been looking into this as well. My search points to the Logitech G11 also ~~ I couldn't find anything with more function keys.
I had considered it before but there is no way I will remember what I set all the function keys to do and therefore still have many unusable (for me at least)
I'm not necessarily looking for a keyboard designed for macros, just something that uses the functionality already built into windows

I feel the same way about my printer. WTF does a company (HP for example) create their printer so that no one can use it without installing their highly inefficient, slow bloatware

I was ecstatic when I hooked up my new Brother MFC-240C and had to install absolutely nothing to be able to use the scanner, printer, or fax

joemoeschmoe wrote:
Has anyone tried using a seperate numpad (when you already have one on your keyboard) to get extra keys?

I also just thought, if you have have enough desk space, you may be able to plug in multiple keyboards...don't know how that would work out tho...


I am almost certain that this will have any desired effect

If there is API to determine which keyboard source was used, I doubt any automation programs have that functionality

I do know that if you connect two mice, both have equal control.
It's the same with two keyboards.

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Try a razor keyboard ...

um... I don't see any Razer wireless keyboards...


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PostPosted: October 7th, 2008, 9:13 am 
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selyb wrote:
If there is API to determine which keyboard source was used, I doubt any automation programs have that functionality
Search the forums for "HID" or "Raw Input". It is possible to detect the source device of a key-press, but unfortunately doesn't seem possible to do so and override the key's native function.


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selyb wrote:
joemoeschmoe wrote:
I have been looking into this as well. My search points to the Logitech G11 also ~~ I couldn't find anything with more function keys.
I had considered it before but there is no way I will remember what I set all the function keys to do and therefore still have many unusable (for me at least)


Its not that hard to make a key or key combo that displays what the other keys are. I already have a function that generalizes pretty well in all my scripts to show me the current hotkeys, but I imagine it wouldn't work too well for others.


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