AutoHotkey Community

exactly

my point being, if it follows the rules then it is ok, why bother to even post about the credits if they ahk is following the rules and in fact even people that do not see the code can easily see that autoit has some influence on ahk just by viewing some articles here and there (ahk giving allways credit where it is needed)

and yes pissed off because of people trolling about the credits, if they like any product so much just keep using it, thats all, go and try to see if someone needs help in autoit forum, and stop hijacking posts of people that actually want some help, i mean sheeez the original poster came here because he didnt like the forums there, and now people apparently from those forums come here to keep annoying him?
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Fully on topic: [Autohotkey-vs-Autoit]

As a AutoIt Reg, I would like to point out something that I see OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER.... Hardly anyone who is new ever bother's to search first before asking the basic questions. There is a sticky in the general help and support section that addresses this with the title:

Sticky: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
READ ME BEFORE POSTING!

For some strange reason, the new person won't take the time to LOOK first. Time and time again you will see titles to threads such as:

HELP!!!
I need to click a button
Noobie help
Can someone make this for me?

I could keep going and going, but you see my point. They will post a question, but make NO attempt to post any type of attempt first. For the regs, it feels like the noobs think its McDonald's and they are placing an order for code.

Again and again this problem has been discussed in the AutoIt forums, and how to get a handle on how to treat the new folks. I try to help out the new folks when I can, but it drives me nuts when someone just does the "give me" without making any attempt to learn on how to do it for themselves. You know the old adage: GIve a man a fish, and he will be feed for one meal. Teach him to fish, and he will feed himself for life.

Would you get tired of a bunch of people keep asking for fish, when the pole, instructions, boat, bait, and anything else you need is right there? AND THEY DON"T EVEN BOTHER TRYING TO GO FISH???
Well, we do.

We've tried a bot to tell people this. What happens? They get pissed for some bot responded to their stupid, no searched first for an answer, asked for the thousandth time question.

If you think I'm being ugly, then that is your right. I will not hold it against you. I'm just telling all of you the flip side of the "bad support in the AutoIt forum" so you get both sides of the issue.

For those who get banned from the AutoIt forum, let me explain this one also.
When one open's multiple accounts, curses at Moderators, attempts to make software that is destructive such as viruses, you get banned. If you question a Mod's intent, you run the risk of a ban. Flaming others will get you banned. I've been in the AutoIt Forum for several years, and that is pretty much all I've seen when someone is banned. Just because you ask the same question twice in two months, that won't get you a ban. I spotted someone in this forum who made that claim. We have a sticky thread in the chat area that shows who gets banned, and the reason for it. A little over 250 accounts have been banned at this point. This is out of a list of over 23,000.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against people trying to learn. I just hate the lazy folks who try to get others to do the work for them.

Nonetheless, i have yet to see such language on the AHK forums.



The users you brought up as subject aren't the problem. It's the way you treat them that has focused the attention on you. Making software is one thing, providing real time support and maintaining the forums is a whole other thing. As example for this i would like to use my experience as game administrator on several Lineage 2 private server with a player count viarity from 100 to 2500. It's tough to find good moderators for a community, I'm well aware of that. However, it takes a good administrator not to interpret this as an excuse to let the regular members piss over the less capable members.





I still don't see this as an excuse for hundreds of incapable people to get mauled on your forums.



Being a moderator or administrator is one of the most ungraceful things you can be. Believe me, i can know. I have had half naked (and one entirel) girls on the MSN webcam because they thought they could get free items like this. Of course, i never handed them out and because of that unleashed almost a month of flamewars upon my own forums. That's where decent teamwork did the job and took care of everything. So here's one of the reasons why taking your time to look for good staff is something that will definitely pay off.



This issue is also present on this support forum. Maybe more, or less, I'm not in the position to judge or measure anything (hell, would i want to?), but I do see a clear difference between these two forums.



Talk about unfair, lol. I compare this with a dictatorship.



I'm not trying to make the difference between our forums, I'm simply pointing it out. You can maintain order in a community with only a few unpopular ways, however, what makes the difference is the way you apply these precautions.



I noticed that, and I find your way of dealing with them highly unprofessional and nothing near supportive.

I'm not being personal here, I have stated my objective view on this scenario.

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-Chavez.

wishing the community a nice week

You miss the whole point I was trying to make. AutoIt's forum is supported by it's USERS, not a staff. You can not honestly believe all your users are good folks. You ALWAYS have a bad apple in the barrel, no matter how hard you try not to.

You imply AHK's forum is not EVER rude, or mistreats users. REALLY? I find that really hard to believe. Out of thousands of users, NOBODY gets rude with another person? NOBODY?

You also imply everyone gets help no matter what. So, then if that is true, then if someone wants to make a virus, you would help them? Someone wants to mess with another user's PC, and you would help them? Someone ask for some code without making any effort to do anything, and you would serve it up pipping hot, no questions asked?






Get your facts strait. It has not been hundreds of people getting mauled. It has been hundreds of people trying to get something for nothing, and REFUSING to try to help themselves. We want to give a hand UP, not a handout like the government. All the handouts do is give the folks a excuse to come back for more handouts.


It is just that. It is Jon's sandbox. You play by his rules. It is the same when you go to a friend's house. You may like smoking in your house when you are at home, but when you are at your friend's place, would you do it when you know he doesn't like it?



Your opinion. Just tell me this: do you pick and choose what thread here to answer, or do you try to answer all of them no matter what? No matter if the user KNOWS it is best to search, has been gently reminded 20 times to do it first, and still does the same thing? No matter if they are trying to do something that they should not do? REALLY?

I know you and I disagree. That is OK. We just have different points of view on this one.

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Stop asking for fish.

Ask to learn how to fish instead. You will never go hungry again...

Seeing myself as one of the 'bad guys' of this forum (complaining about UselessSubjectLines/WrongSectionAlert/SpamAlert/UseANickYouDontHaveToRegister4It/ ...) I have to agree that the AHK Community has to deal with similar issues (hey, guess what - its a people business ).

But ...
a) you don't have to register to post
b) people tend to ignore 'explicit' requests or simply advise to ignore it (and mods are acting on advise)
c) its hard to find any foul language, or 'real' escalations at threads (except if I'm involved ).
d) even 'gods of AHK' answer 'low level' requests (minimum from time to time). Without complaining about noobs.
e) RTFMing is a standard too, right. But 90% of the time people point to the specific section/command at the help file, instead of complaining (and the help is superb (if we take the noobs statements seriously - what we do))
f) really nobody complains about my bad english !!
g) and last but not least ... I like the AHK Community for being tolerant when it comes to compare AHK vs AutoIt*, BoBo vs John McCain, ...

* it is/was kinda 'illegal activity' to even mention AHK at the AutoIt-Forum. Eg, something like this didn't gave me the feeling to be at the right place. Fundamentalist (no matter which ones) are suspicious. JM2€C

There shouldn't even be a difference in quality of support from either the users or the staff.



You ambitious assumptions aren't part of a mature conversation anymore. But, if you will, there is at least a great difference in rudeness between our two forums.



Those who need help get help. And yes, there are some cases where someone has requested a custom code and got it as first reply on the topic.



Yet again, you missed my point. That is your point of view. It isn't how you deal with them, but the way you deal with them. You can turn down a certain user in different way, either nice or rude. You seem to enjoy deploying a rude combination of replies against these users.



There's a great difference between rules and having people around that determine their own authorities. Saddam Hussein gave the same privileges to his sons. You can't compare that with the simple basics of normal behavior.



Another immature argument, I'm not going to pull out another story again, you have my answer on that a few lines above here.



I certainly don't disagree with your view on the problems, I disagree on your way of processing them.

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-Chavez.

Your opinion. Just tell me this: do you pick and choose what thread here to answer, or do you try to answer all of them no matter what? No matter if the user KNOWS it is best to search, has been gently reminded 20 times to do it first, and still does the same thing? No matter if they are trying to do something that they should not do? REALLY?



It was not a immature argument. I asking you a direct yes or no question. You chose to ignore it by claiming it was immature.

Personally, I think you are being immature by not answering the question with a yes or no, seeing how I asked you a yes or no question.

Enough said. I've made my point. Lets move on.

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Stop asking for fish.

Ask to learn how to fish instead. You will never go hungry again...

I answer if I can. I don't discriminate on one's level of intelligence.

EDIT: I do make exceptions for people that requests cheats though. Regardless of what, I do not support those programming 3rd party applications or direct modifications that provide an advantage compared to other players.



It is definitely immature to demand an answer. You're obviously trying to fish for a comeback in my arguments, which is typical behavior for a high schooler. You confirm to apply to this behavior template by the following line;



You have no right or whatsoever to demand an answer from me. This is simply a ventilation of personal frustration generated by the fact you're grasping for an argument in the imaginary jar of irrelevance.



Good boy.

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-Chavez.

i use both.. there is many things what make me insane when using autoit, but also when using autohotkey. Like today i made a gui with autoit, and i have to say that trying to control listview isnt fun thing to do. With autohotkey its soooo easy.

I think I'm late...
And sorry to bring this to life again

I have not so much to say about Autoit since I'm not experienced with it, but...

I think AutoHotKey is great!
it allows you to have such a useful and powerful script controlling almost any feature, and even more than a feature (like a completely new GUI controlling it's own program, it's own code, and not just OS features).

I've started with AHK not long ago, and never used AUT3 or any past version ever till just recently, but I feel great with AHK because it was the first thing I tried (sorry to put it like this...), I can't say to much about the supporting side of the forums since I'm not in the AUT forums, and I have asked just 1 simple question in here, and I have a lot more, there's still time to ask 1 by 1...

The discussion about which one is the best shouldn't get any of the sides angry, this is a conclusion that has to be made by the user as his own criteria.

The support side is another story, as I've took my time to read, Volly is right in the people asking for more subject, but only applies to people who wants to make profit of any kind of circumstances he could probably be about, but I think this kind of people and behavior can be always detected, and avoid treating everyone equally.

On the most, chavez is right about the support story, I've seen so many threads which it's first reply is the answer, which makes me glad, such a supportive community for a Free piece of programming software (I dare to say it), is something to celebrate.

What would happened to linux if they haven't made supporting boards or the man pages, and only the command line help?

I don't have anything else to say about the subject, I think you should stick with your preferred candidate and stop fighting the other one. I'm not a big programmer neither a developer, but I think my little knowledge can be helpy.

Thanks a lot for AHK and its community!
Keep up the good work.

And I'm so sorry my English is sooooo bad as always.

Please don't bump this old topic -_-
It is full of hate and war... and... I can't take it!!

I SERIOUSLY CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!

This thread is stupid. Why AHK vs AU3? Can't you just use whatever you want? Or do you have
to stupidly force each other to use your choice? Be free and let be free!
Enough. A moderator should close and/or delete this stupid thread.

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Highly recommended: AutoHotkey_L (see why) (all my code snippets require it)
Formal request to polyethene - I support the unity of the AutoHotkey community
Get SciTE4AutoHotkey v3.0.00 (Release Candidate)
[My project list]

Uh, please don't. The gold may be hard to find, but it's there:


Many thanks to Laszlo!

Cheers,
Shawn