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I think it's beginning to thin out already. I knew I was opening a can of unwelcomed worms, but I also knew that somebody was gonna do it and that I'd probably do it nicer. (Retrospectively, I don't think I did a very good job of that)

But, I digress...

@k3ph and skwire
I've been using Trout all day and I love it, source code or not, and I'd be thrilled to do some testing of future revs, as well.

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Thank you for your kind words, maj. I cannot believe I forgot to add you to the list of thanks in the initial thread. I have used your modules EXTENSIVELY over the years in all manner of apps I've written. This will be rectified as soon as I'm done replying to some of these posts. My sincere apologies.

The DPI issue. Ack! I've been meaning to add a fix to Trout that I normally use in all my apps. Thanks for the reminder.


I actually have this mostly working with Skan's WM_COPYDATA example. It works fine when dropping files/folders onto the exe. From the context menu, however, it only works fine when adding/queueing one file or one folder. When you select multiple files/folders and add them via the context menu, they seem to come in at random intervals and in a random order. Does that make sense?


It's there for the folks that prefer installers over having to work with a zipfile. Honestly, it only takes a few seconds to generate both the installer and zip package.


This is a great idea. Thanks.


Could you elaborate a bit more?


Hmmm...I'll look into this. Just to be clear, you're not talking about a internet stream, right? You're talking about something like this, eh?: http://www.somewhere.com/path/file.mp3

Suresh, you humble me, my friend.

Normally, I don't bother responding to posts like this but I am simply struck speechless by these comments. You're absolutely entitled to your own opinion and thoughts. I am simply offering to share an application I've created. How this can be construed into the above comments just staggers me. That said, it may be that this thread should be in a different forum section as Petru suggested.

For you, Drugwash, I'll look into retro-fitting my older slider code back into Trout so at least that much will work. I'll also provide you with an older build that used a different library for tag reading to see if that worked under 9x.

Ok, skwire, I could hardly sleep a bit last night because of that; and I have to apologize The fact is that I was very intrigued at that time. Now I feel better, but I still want some bits of code like how did you show Unicode characters in your GUI.

EDIT: And I've got an idea. I can write wiki code, we could start a collaborative project on that, so that we can control what, where, how everything goes into the final application.

Yes.


There is only one way to make it working with multiple files, and I used it in one application I created which I will probably post very soon, so you will be able to check it out. I think the base for the work is something Lexikos did on DDE (or it was Sean, I can't remember now...).


Just add each song played in the history list. So if I want to hear something again from some big shuffle folder I listened yesterday, I will be albe to do it today by searching it in the history list. Ofc, I wouldn't suggest to be highest priority, just something you may want to play with if you have nothing else to do.

One very important suggestion:
Minibars position and ontop/visibility flag arent saved. This makes them usless atm as I need to fix them each time.


Ye, since there is no source code there is nothing here which qualifies it as Scripts & Functions. If you don't plan to release it I suggest you ask your mod friend about shifting to the General/Utilties forum since this is basicly presentation and support for your software.

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From the moment I first set eyes upon Skwire's NANY submission, it was very obvious to me that Trout was not and has never been about "look at this, how smart I am, don't you wish you were smart like me". No, it wasn't about showing off himself or his skills, at all.

It seemed more to me as if the statement Skwire was making with Trout was "look at this, see what AHK can do? yes, you can develop real applications with this. It's not just for silly little automation scripts and hotkey macros".

Trout is the single application, that I am aware of, that has and will continue to make people sit up and take notice of a programming language that never quite got the respect it really deserved.

The mere existence of Trout, whether it is open source or not, does a huge service to the AHK community at large, by demanding respect from other developers for the language used to create it, and thereby respect for all AHK developers.

You should be very proud of Skwire (and his helpers) and what he has done for you, the AHK community, and the AHK language itself.

I respected Skwire's decision to keep Trout closed source, without ever needing to know his reasons why. He has had my full support from the very beginning and will continue to have it for as long as he wants or needs it. I will test every build he hands me on whatever system of mine he wants, be that XP or 9x. I will keep coming up with ideas for improving it, if I can. I will keep promoting it to others and especially to Win32 developers that code in other languages, proudly telling them it was written in AHK.

I also know that despite Trout being closed source, if I was ever to decide to start coding seriously in AHK and wanted to know how he did something in Trout, I can ask Skwire and while he won't just hand me the source for Trout, he will tell me how he did it, and even help me if I need it.

This application comes with a developer that has an open heart. To me that is just as good, if not better than open source.

As far as 9x support goes with Trout, Skwire & I have talked about this a lot and he knows how I feel about it and why. While 9x support is something I'd love to see, for many reasons, if it isn't possible, while I will be greatly disappointed & heart-broken, I won't hold it against him. I will help him with testing anything he wants to try on my 9x machine and offer any other type of help & support that I can.

All that having been said, I absolutely adore Trout! It has earned a well deserved permanent place on my desktop. It has replaced not just Winamp on my main XP machine, but now I don't have to run that silly last.fm application in the tray, either.

@Skwire:

Thank you, so much! :-*

Now how about that elimination style play mode, huh? And that last.fm love button, too?

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Apology accepted. =]

This unicode thing is hard to explain. I run my computers with Japanese as the default language. I also have the default language for non-unicode apps set to Japanese. This is what enables me to see Japanese characters in a non-unicode app such as AHK/Trout.

Parts of Trout that use unicode:

• Tag reading in Trout is done using the AudioGenie library. All string handling for this library must be done in unicode. Trout uses code from Skan's post here. However, instead of using Skan's UTOA/ATOU functions, I use Sean's COM library unicode handling functions instead:
  COM_Ansi4Unicode()
  COM_Unicode4Ansi()
  
• Trout copies to clipboard in unicode using wOxxOm's clipSetUnicode() function here.
  
• All Last.fm strings must be submitted in utf-8 format. I use shimanov's EncodeURL() function here along with Sean's Ansi2UTF8() function found here. Here's a snippet from Trout:
  
  
  Code:
      ; Build out submit URL.
      URL  := _LastFM_Sub_URL
      POST := "s="  . _LastFM_Session_ID
            . "&a[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . EncodeURL( Ansi2UTF8( LastFM_Submit_Artist ) )
            . "&t[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . EncodeURL( Ansi2UTF8( LastFM_Submit_Title  ) )
            . "&b[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . EncodeURL( Ansi2UTF8( LastFM_Submit_Album  ) )
            . "&l[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . LastFM_Submit_Track_Length
            . "&n[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . LastFM_Submit_Row_Num_Playing
            . "&m[" . _LastFM_Index . "]="
            . "&o[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . "P"
            . "&r[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . ""
            . "&i[" . _LastFM_Index . "]=" . LastFM_Submit_Start_Time

Does that help to explain things?

Nice but not everyone listens to last.fm ... For example I live in the east of Europe, in Romania. I could ask all of my friends, schoolmates and teachers if they know what last.fm is and I'm sure they'd tell me they have heard of it but never went to see it.

For me, last.fm is the thing that counts least. Oh, if you guys agree with providing us with other code snippets from Trout you can drop some code snippets here too:
The Nightingale Project.

Anyone's invited to join me.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say about last.fm since the last.fm service was not the point of my last post. I simply provided examples of how and where unicode/utf-8 is used in Trout.

Yes it wasn't the point but It looked important as this is the only thing that you have provided the sources for yet.

Very nice application!

Even though I would like to see the source (without the AudioGenie stuff), I can understand skwire not wanting to share it (fully yet).

A couple of remarks:
- It would be nice if Trout had a radio-station "directory listing", like Screamer Radio has. Right now I have to add them manually.
- Trivial, but it would be nice if the program could recognize me inserting a MP3 CD/DVD with "Play audio CD in..." instead of an audio CD, and read and play the disc.
- Same issue: I play a MP3 CD/DVD. When I enable freedb search, it will try to recognize it (even though it will never find the correct data, since it is a burned MP3 DVD)
- Is there any way to replace the "<missing>" tags with empty tags or something else?
- Could album-art be "enhanced", so that if there is no JPG in the folder, Trout will download it from the web somewhere (based on the tags it finds)?
- Lyrics are on the to do list. Would be great if it could be added, but I know there are issues with copyright with lyrics.

Now that the dust has settled...

1)
I love the Toaster Popup, but I'd like to be able to change where it pops from;
I work in a multiple monitor environment and the location of the pop is less than optimal.

This is an area in which I'll eventually ask you for help...
I've used Toaster Popups, but not with this level of control.

2)
I understand that the idea behind the Minibar Controls is minimalism,
but I would like the option of scrolling the song title somewhere.

3)
Maybe I've just overlooked it, but how about 'Always On Top'?

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