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PostPosted: September 18th, 2011, 8:13 am 
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I often need to get a script name without a file extension and it currently causes a few extra lines.
So would you explain why, please? I never was in need of this.


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PostPosted: September 18th, 2011, 9:52 am 
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I agree with nimda.
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when someone takes the time to find each one of your points in a debate and then counters all of them, statements like "read what I said again" are pointless.

And then you write in same post:
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I recommend you read it again until you understand.

nimda, I normally do not write "read again". It was in reaction to this: Have you read what I posted?

Just to clarify. Do not state that I do not understand what you explain. I perfectly understand what you are talking about. Maybe you do not understand what I am trying to say? To me, the given reason from you are not enough to implement the variable. That have nothing to do with emotional reaction. In fact, I have a usage of this variable if it gets implemented. BUT I have a usage of many variables. Not every single detail should be implemented, for the reason to not blowing the source up. Also the end user have to learn one variable more. You may lough, but this is a little thing more which can confuse beginners too. Not everything should be hardcoded. We have simple functions for retrieving such information.

About the "silly" terminology: English is not my native language and offending is not my way in a forum. To me "silly" is a normal word to say its bad idea. It is for me a synonym of "bad".

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I don't use that function. Using the function in other functions makes them difficult to be portable.

What problem do you expect with that function? You can make a global variable once and then refer in every place of your script to it.

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I don't quite follow.

Let me explain. You have written so many lines in this forum, for your idea to saving lines. So many answers > lines. The developer have to implement your idea > lines, test them > lines, document them > lines. Then the source is blowed up by in my eyes unnecessary lines. Just to save you some lines. The work and future maintenance for all this does not stand in relation to what it benefits.

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Then stop acting like a developer as if you knew how the developers think. You could say, "Lexikos or fincs would think it's time wasting to implement" rather than saying "It's waste of time to implement." You are not the person to do it. FYI, such person is called poser.

I do not act like a developer. Why should I say in every phrase that it is just my own opinion? Lexikos and formerly Chris stated often enough things like that are waste of time. This is a discussion platform. You have not to explain that I am not the person who have to do it, but dont call me poser.
You say I am a poser, you state that I do not understand your suggestion. Do I say that you are selfish? We just discuss this and I am against it because your suggestion does not provide enough to implement it. And I do not need to add "imho" in every phrase. In a discussion, this is self-evident.

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2011, 10:56 am 
Peace guys! 8)


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PostPosted: September 18th, 2011, 4:48 pm 
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I agree with nimda.
nimda wrote:
when someone takes the time to find each one of your points in a debate and then counters all of them, statements like "read what I said again" are pointless.

And then you write in same post:
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I recommend you read it again until you understand.

nimda, I normally do not write "read again". It was in reaction to this: Have you read what I posted?

Just to clarify. Do not state that I do not understand what you explain.
Just to clarify, what have happened so far:
  1. I posted the suggestion.
  2. Tuncay introduced the workaround with SubStr().
  3. I pointed out it is defect.
  4. Tuncay insisted to use workarounds.
  5. I explained the point of the suggestion is simplicity in coding.
  6. Tuncay replied it's not reason enough to implement it.
  7. I reaplied it's not only me using it in fact Tuncay will.
  8. Tuncay wrote a function to insist on using a workaround.
  9. I rephrased the point is to eliminate such redundancy.
Do you see the pattern? I had to repeat explaining my point. That wouldn't be necessary if Tuncay took the time to read(understand) it and tried refuting my point instead of repeating expressing his emotions.
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I perfectly understand what you are talking about.
I think you are mistaken.
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Maybe you do not understand what I am trying to say? To me, the given reason from you are not enough to implement the variable. ... Not every single detail should be implemented, for the reason to not blowing the source up.
Another sign of poser. You are not the person developing the language.
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That have nothing to do with emotional reaction. In fact, I have a usage of this variable if it gets implemented. BUT I have a usage of many variables.
What you like to use other variables does not mean the suggested built-in variable is not useful.
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Also the end user have to learn one variable more.
Not necessarily. In fact, you didn't know A_ScriptHwnd.
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You may lough, but this is a little thing more which can confuse beginners too. Not everything should be hardcoded.
With the variable, beginners don't have to learn to use SplitPath. You may laugh, but for beginners, reading the manual and looking for the examples to understand it are really time consuming. Furthermore, creating a custom function is more complicated for them.
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We have simple functions for retrieving such information.
I'm suggesting a simpler way.
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About the "silly" terminology: English is not my native language and offending is not my way in a forum. To me "silly" is a normal word to say its bad idea. It is for me a synonym of "bad".
It's the same thing in this context. You wrote,
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The whole point of calling "in my opinion silly idea" is, that I do really dislike that idea.
In other words, "That is a bad idea because I do really dislike that idea." Do you get now why I say you were emotionally reacting?
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What problem do you expect with that function? You can make a global variable once and then refer in every place of your script to it.
Do you now realise that it costs extra lines? And even you suggest to sacrifice portability for your convenience. The question you are asking here is another sign of what you haven't read my posts. Please do not make me repeat. You cannot ask such question if the following statement is true
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I perfectly understand what you are talking about.

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The developer have to implement your idea > lines, test them > lines, document them > lines. Then the source is blowed up by in my eyes unnecessary lines. Just to save you some lines. The work and future maintenance for all this does not stand in relation to what it benefits.
Again, you are not the person to implement it. You have so many symptoms of poser. And the variable saves lines for others too, including yours, not only mine.
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I do not act like a developer.
It's been more and more evident as you post.
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Why should I say in every phrase that it is just my own opinion?
It applies to when you talk about technical issues which only the developer experiences. And the fact is you are not the person. Just accept that.
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Lexikos and formerly Chris stated often enough things like that are waste of time.
Then just post the references to those words instead of saying "I think", which is wrong. You are not the person who thought so, but they thought. Got it?
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This is a discussion platform. You have not to explain that I am not the person who have to do it, but dont call me poser.
Are you serious? You said like, "I don't like the idea because it is troublesome to implement." That way, others will think you are a developer. It is irrelevant whether this is a discussion forum or not. Sorry to say this, but somebody has to tell the true if the person does not recognise it; now it became really clear that you are a poser. Please fix your attitude.
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Do I say that you are selfish?
Call me whatever satisfies you.
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We just discuss this and I am against it because your suggestion does not provide enough to implement it. And I do not need to add "imho" in every phrase. In a discussion, this is self-evident.
Okey, so it is self-evident that you think my suggestion does not provide enough reason to implement it. You haven't provided what Lexikos thinks. Now, do you see you are acting like a developer with the statement?


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PostPosted: September 18th, 2011, 5:06 pm 
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I am not acting like a developer. If you do not want discuss with other members than a developer, than wait until he replies or write him a personal message. If I say it have no enough reason to develop, then does that mean I am a poser? Call what you want. I just try to be realistic and try to suggest only realistic and efficient suggestions. You call me a poser, because someone is not with your idea. Accept it. Everyone have other ideas. Good luck with your suggestion. As you pointed out, it is a repeating pattern, our so called "discussion". I am curious about how you discuss it with other members or if the developer is against your idea.

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2011, 5:39 pm 
I would like to see some example usage of this proposed variable. A_ScriptHwnd as is often mentioned, is used, f.ex., in shell hooks and several other functions one finds on MSDN. This one, however, I do not see much use of.


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