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majkinetor
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 Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think I though out the best solution for refreshing, instantious without checking the ini on every call.
The refreshing was added during the time when Editor wasn't yet created so you had to use TC's editor (OMG) to do the thing or some alternative editors available. Now non of them are recommended to use with Favmenu since they are not aware of icons and will delete them. Also I hooked double click on TC's "current directory" header (I will probably add hook to [*] button soon ).
So, I can now decide to refresh menu only after you use Menu Editor (Changes via "Properties" dialog are updated imediately). Your menu will be refreshed in the background as you finish using Menu Editor so you will never notice any delay when calling the Favmenu.
O yeah.. that is good. It is strange how most obvious solution was hidden behind something that is obsolated....
I wonder though does anybody use other editors with Favmenu.....
I also asked my oldest comunity here
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You enlighten me in single phrase, like nobody did before |
Ha, was just a sligthly changed, but favourite phrase of my wife: "everybodies darling is everybodies fool" ... so she's to blame  |
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stevep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Bobo, what a cheeky fellow you are 
You still don't get it, my intention was to discuss about some misunderstandings Miodrag had. I will try to explain this later in my post.
majkineter, nooo, don't do that, if you'd answer in this manner, our discussion would end there, and there would be no progress, movement. But you have to be prepared, that not only silly users may give you feedback. I have to admit that I used your script only a few times, played a little with the code and just because of curiosity. In File Dialogs I use only per-application favorites (XFilesDialog), and as for me, personally, your script is currently useless. The only value is the script contents itself.
Here are the key parts of our discussion:
| majkinetor wrote: | | you generaly don't keep 200 hundreed items there but 10, 15, 30 at most... or it is not favorites at all |
Then I have explained, that 200 favorite items is not unusual.
| majkinetor wrote: | | The menu was not refreshing every time until sombody asked for that. |
Then I explained, why some user may asked for that. | stevep wrote: | | The user wrote that, because you didn't leave any choice to refresh the menu. Users tend to be less quick-witted than you may think. |
| majkinetor wrote: | | I can not compare with wincmd.ini File Modification Date since this file is changed constantly. |
Then I explained why the word "constantly" should be defined more precisely. The assumption "I can not compare" was not correct, was not applicable to all cases.
| majkinetor wrote: | | The auto refreshing menu will probably be added as an option |
That would be also incorrect approach and now you understand that. That means that you have come a bit more experienced.
Intention of my explanations was only to divert you from some misunderstandings.
And finally, recall your answer.
| majkinetor wrote: | | Thanx for your suggestions, I hope that I cleared some things for you. |
Now you see, that there was nothing to make clear to me and I was clearing some things for you.
Instead of going the simple way and accept my simple suggestions, which are less prone to errors, you choosed the hard way, part of which is a decision to spy the "*" button, thus, again, forgetting about other cases, when user may have an older version of Total Commander (or even Windows Commander), and the Script may not work in future versions of TC.
As for me, the discussion was very effective. Thank You. Hope you see this also from kind point of view. Peace! |
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But you have to be prepared, that not only silly users may give you feedback |
I don't hang out with normal people. If the one is not "silly" in some way, I suggest him to avoid me.
| Quote: | | and as for me, personally, your script is currently useless |
You see.... I told you well in the first place - you are not typical user. U have 200 items in the menu, and you don't use the menu at all.... so I don't see why are you having this problem.
XFilesWhat ? Get serious man.....
| Quote: | | The assumption "I can not compare" was not correct, was not applicable to all cases. |
I am not interested in programming half-cases. I thought that was clear up so far. For me, programming is an art and there is no art in handling bunch of special cases.
| Quote: | | Instead of going the simple way and accept my simple suggestions, which are less prone to errors, you choosed the hard way, part of which is a decision to spy the "*" button, thus, again, forgetting about other cases, when user may have an older version of Total Commander (or even Windows Commander), and the Script may not work in future versions of TC. |
That is not your way its just a way.
Second, hooking the TC headers and buttons has nothing to do with refreshing. Its just a mechanism to make Favmenu integrated into TC thus make your menu operations handled by one application, not by two.
If you have used the Favmenu more then 2 times you would know that. Script will work in future versions of TC witch is something you again can't know because you didn't spend enough time on official forum. And again, it is not recomended to use that bunch of ugly text Ghisler calls an editor with Favmenu. About the :
| Quote: | | you choosed the hard way |
you are guessing again. Implementation that I last described will take several lines of code, 5 at most. The only thing I have to do is brodcast a system message after the Menu Editor finished saving. Previous solution had to do with various API functions witch is error prone, is proned to bugs, is harder to do, is CPU expensive, less then current operation mode, but much more then sending 1 windows message.
| Quote: | | As for me, the discussion was very effective. Thank You. Hope you see this also from kind point of view. Peace! |
ah... 3thd time... you are missing more and more variables every next day.... it appeared to me that you miss only few at the beginning, but now I see that you have tremendous holes.
So you are hoping to see this also from kind point of view....
But, if you were around a little you would see that I don't suffer from such society chains - I say what I want to say, the way it should be said.
I will not say to you "thx for your support" and keep "and go f*ck yourself" for my self like all other kind people will do. You will get the "go f*ck your self" every time you deserve it and " thank you, thank you, thank you" every time you do something good for animals, me or human comunity. So, stop hoping .. its not going to happen. Its not about me, not about you. It is dynamic thing, depends on both of us.
| Quote: | | Bobo, what a cheeky fellow you are |
Oh... is this from the tutorial ?
Peace
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stevep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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The "tutorial" consist from experience of peoples communicating in forums, you should read it thoroughly.
The XFilesDialog
You contradict everything what I say (read post, above) 
Against all the odds, thank you for sharing this script.
No doubt, you know what you do when you do.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You still don't get it |
Indeed, being a li'll Bobo is one of my handicaps ...
| Quote: | | If the one is not "silly" in some way, I suggest him to avoid me |
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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At least someone is happy
2stevep
I thought you enjoy this coversation. Don't disappoint me now 
The XFilesDialog: I know hoow to use Google, you didn't understand well XFileswhat word. It means that this is "nice little tool", but it has nothing to do with Favmenu - doesn't support TC witch was original intention, to have your favoirtes in one place, so you don't have to redefine them all again, supports only Open/Save dialogs, doesn't work with skinning programs, like WindowsBlinds, it is ugly and it is shareware, but I guess Ukrains use "warez versions" the same as Serbians so this is not a real problem unless you have to saerch for the crack all night long. Contrary to that, Favmenu is even opensource, so geeks can tweek it by their needs.
As you may know that there are plenty of freeware and opensource applications that do the same as your XFiles app, I would say that is a shame stealing others code and make money of it, and I spit on the authors from this location. Being eager for the money makes people very bad.... its funny you support that after such nice methaphysical round up.
Now, hurry up, get some special bonuses on XFiles.
| Quote: | SPECIAL OFFER - until the end of October 2006 our customers can get:
- first-time customers for XDESK and SysTrayX will receive XFilesDialog as a bonus (but no updates) !
- XFilesDialog buyers will get a similar never-expiring registered version of SysTrayX (but no updates) !
- returning customers for all our products can get 3 months bonus subscription with any first-time subscription extension !!
- customers at the second (or more) subscription extension will get 12 months of extra subscription !!!
- all our new customers will also get a registered version of EarthSunX ! |
WOWl, what a nice fella.. he is giving all that shit for free, if buy one shit or 2 shits.
And all that can be (and acctually is) programmed in AHK for several days (of course, you can merge them if you carefully read my article, thus having only one application do the job instead 4)
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stevep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I guess Ukrains use "warez versions" |
Well, your guess is truthful 
| Quote: | | you have to saerch for the crack all night long |
Hmm, you missing some links
| Quote: | | I spit on the authors from this location |
XFilesDialog was started in year 2000. Of course, nowadays, it not deserves a penny 
Keep up the great work! Hopefully, there'll be those low-level tools available in AHK, so that you can improve FavMenu even more.
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | XFilesDialog was started in year 2000 |
DM2 was started before ten years and it did the same thing. Desktop Mate was original name and in it you could find source by Weird for the hardest part. Make-up things are much much easier to do.
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you have to saerch for the crack all night long |
Hmm, you missing some links |
Nah... I don't have any problem finding crack or crating one.
That said, except for Total Commander and Windows itself, I hardly use any commercial software since I found much better alternatives in freeware zone for almost all things I regulary need.
I truely belevie that all software should be free. That is the lesson you had to learn from the man whos unimportant tutorials you provided here. I favor other things he offered there. You should take a look at the movie also.. high budget movie about GNU. Eric is one of the main charachters...
| Quote: | | Hopefully, there'll be those low-level tools available in AHK, so that you can improve FavMenu even more. |
Don't think so...
I managed somehow to reivive DM2 project and yesterday you go the new update 1.22. If things go well in the future for this great tool Favmenu will be plug-in for it. I am suggesting todays that we rewrite entire application but... people have mouth to feed.... we will see.
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stevep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | DM2 was started before ten years and it did the same thing. |
You really know how to use Google
| Quote: | | Nah... I don't have any problem finding crack or crating one. |
Will you crack some tool to prove this? Nah... you have many important things on your ToDo.
| Quote: | | I favor other things he offered there |
I'm glad you found something useful for yourself too.
Okay, let's finish, the discussion drives "slightly" sideways. If you still intend to be contradicting  , use PM.
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Quote:
DM2 was started before ten years and it did the same thing. |
You really know how to use Google |
I don't have to. I speak with the author every day. I just asked him, when did you create DM2, and he said, before almost 10 years...
no PM... I don't like to hide anything.
| Quote: | | If you still intend to be contradicting |
Im not. Your arguments are not valid for me. That is not contradicting, don't influenence the people who read this (if any) with that inapropriately used word just to get something. I know some things about the ways one can use "to always sound like he is talking truth, despite he is talking nonsense", I learned that on my Philosophy classes and in life generaly.
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stevep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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You're an offensive opinionated hopeless interlocutor. I was replying because I was subscribed to this topic (until now). That's my last post for you, will not give meat to a... troll
You're kind when you asking for help from experienced developers, and then, you're contradictive and provocative when receiving some suggestions and notices from a "newbie". Even though, you're a "regular" here with a great support network behind, and I'm just a "newbie", you could be wiser. I was hoping you'll stop contradicting after my peace post, but naah.
| Quote: | | common rules of behavior |
Well, then suggesting/noticing anything to you was my fault, and the biggest fault was that I tried to clear some things for you. Maybe one day I'll understand your standpoint, however, I hope it will never happen. But if it will happen, I will recall this discussion and will stop contradict.
| Quote: | Ha ha ha.....
to be honest, I enjoy provoking new people |
Hmm, it's funny for you. I was right...
The current definition of a Usenet "Troll" does apply to you. Trolling isn't limited to purely negative attitude and to provoke the interlocutor. Trolling is an activity maintained for one's own entertainment, what is commonly referred to as a "flame war", usually thru incendiary replies.
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha ha.....
| Quote: | | Dialog, in modern society goes this way: 2 persons are trying to convince eatchother something, both with their arguments until one of them finaly realise that arguments of other are valid, or until they both give up trying. |
I guess your last post means that you gave up trying.
Hm... interesting enough how one changes from a very nice person over very unfrendly to extremely lost in the space:
| stevep wrote: | You're an offensive opinionated hopeless interlocutor
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That's my last post for you, will not give meat to a... troll |
a trol  hopeless
And you are going to leave now before I punnish you publicly ?
stevep, to be honest, I enjoy provoking new people and vice-versa. You can observe what people really are when you place them in weird siutations.
Despite some of yours more provokative words I didn't lost my patience or temper.... acctually, I was ing eatch time I have seen the message pop-up from the tray with stevep in it (I don't forget you bobo, don't worry) and many of the things you said are valid, but I wanted to find final solution for the problem.
You showed mucth of what you are in recent conversation.... and you didn't finish it very well...
Maybe next time.
I behaved like this because you were far more interesting interlocutor then every day talks I have with others on various forums I visit around, were some common rules of behavior are valued more then personality and individua.
I have absolutely nothing against you contributing anything you think of to the Favmenu. Contrary, some of your advices are realised and taken into account. BTW, I never got your wincmd.ini, maybe you sent it to the wrong address.
Take care and have some fun.
m.
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stevep
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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From "Sent Mail" folder:
| Code: | This is a forwarded message
From: Steven Pribilinskij
To: r . m o t h @ D e v i a n t A r t
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2006, 2:43:46 AM
Subject: Menu for Miodrag Milic
===8<==============Original message text===============
Hello Milic,
Here's the Wincmd.ini. As you can see, because of 200-items limit, the
Directory Hotlist was not enough for me, and there are another 200
items in the Start Menu. It will be a great addition to the Script,
to read the Start Menu as well. However, if nobody asks, that is not
necessary, then I will do it when I will have more free time.
Keep up the great work! I hope your notes in the "Constructive Language Criticism
& Script Merging" Article will be considered in future developments of
AHK.
--
Best regards
===8<===========End of original message text=========== |
The e-mail without spaces. If it would be an incorrect address, then the mail would return back.
| Quote: | | Despite some of yours more provokative words |
What was provokative from my part??? (except my conclusion, that you're a flamer)
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | r . m o t h @ D e v i a n t A r t |
That is not my mail
You have my mail at the r-moth homepage, in Favmenu about box, here, on TotalCmd.net etc.... You choosed one that I don't use, and that "site" created female part of r.moth duo. I hope Tatiana will don't mind receving your large menu.
Anyway, the one I currently use most often can be seen in About box of Favmenu. I hope you don't mind starting the script 3thd time just to see my e-mail.
| Quote: | | What was provokative from my part??? (except my conclusion, that you're a flamer) |
Ha ha.. you are funny indeed. I like you man. Too bad except you, me and Bobo there are no other trolls around. I hope that I can sumon another one, from Ghislers forum witch represent itself as SQUIRE there.
If I start to quote your provocations here, this page will soon become unreadable. Apperently, you don't know the difference between provocation and insult, like many other people.
| Quote: | | You're kind when you asking for help from experienced developers, and then, you're contradictive and provocative when receiving some suggestions and notices from a "newbie". Even though, you're a "regular" here with a great support network behind, and I'm just a "newbie", you could be wiser. I was hoping you'll stop contradicting after my peace post, but naah. |
I might understood diferently your "peace" post. It must be because I had a great fun and I usualy don't consider that as a war (peace needs war, right ?)
About other things you say here, some nonsense about n00bs, experienced developers, me being kind and something like that.... you don't have a clue about it. What you describe here is very snobistic and I hope I am not like that, at least I am trying not to be. Everybody is n00b in something. For instance, you are n00b in programming, in deduction, in phylosphy (he he) but according to the context of your menu, you might not be in 3d graphics (any works I can see ?).
If I was like that, I wouldn't speaking with you at the first place.... cuz you are a n00b like you say.... so that is contradictal.
Anyway, if you visit the official Total Commander forum you will see that you are terribly wrong. One of the reasons I keep hanging out here is that comunity is totaly on different level of existance then that of Ghisler. There is no dobut that Chris is much better person then Ghisler and that it cares for the people like the man on his position should. Ghisler on the other hand doesn't care about anything then making money for the Total Commander, even for the poor Russians who upgraded his child to the next stage (90% of plugins there are from Russia). When I loudly asked the comunity about their thought on that and the fact that 99.9 procent of TC in Russia (and here) is pirated, he banned me from the forum (hence "!" in my name there, I re-registred with familiar name). He is experienced developer yet, he deserves no respect from me. I joined TC forum only to help, because it is one of the most valuable programs for me and I can't pay for it, so I thought, maybe I can help resolve some problems, bugs, I can have some cool suggestions. And he banned me, after everything I contributed to the TC community.
So you see, things are not so simple as you may think.... it is petty you try to conclude about people so much after so little time. Typical mistake - 99 percents of first sensations are wrong.
I don't think anything about you, nor I will for the long time. I don't have to guess. You will show me everything yourself. You already started.
I hope you are still having fun
m
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