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jonny
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Yes, spreading the gospel of RTFM is indeed a noble cause.   |
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AGermanUser
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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A Wiki sounds to me like a good idea. Probably s.th like the wikipedia-wiki?
So all can work together and translate as much as they want to. The wiki could consist of several categories on the main page.
- A Script Collection with different categories. (Screen, Windows, Browser, Games,...]
- Command list translated
- Translated description of each commando
- Tutorials
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We only need to find someone who knows how to set this thing up and who could handle the costs, traffic 
P.S. You probably could use the TLD autohotkey.de for that wiki. Because until now there comes the same page as under the .com Domain. |
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jonny
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | We only need to find someone who knows how to set this thing up and who could handle the costs, traffic |
Check off the second one there (but definitely not the first one).
I have a professional domain which I never really used, except for small personal file hosting. It's about 500mb. I'd be thrilled to have it be the site for a shared English/German wiki; unfortunately I know nothing at all about web design, let alone making a wiki. If anyone is interested in collaborating on making something like this happen, then I'll start a new development thread in General Chat (as it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else). I've taken care of hosting; I guess I could also provide some content, but that's it. Btw, I don't have an understandable url, it's all numbers and crap. Dunno how we'd get around that.  |
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BoBo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Pretty cool. This might save a lot of time maintaining web sites. |
This statement by a guy named Chris Mallett was given on that topic ---> [AsciiDoc] recommended by someone who calls himself BoBo!
Check it out.
| Quote: | | Probably s.th like the wikipedia-wiki? |
Wiki sounds cool. BTBH no idea what its all about, OK kinda dictionary, eh ... ???
| Quote: | | Btw, I don't have an understandable url, it's all numbers and crap. Dunno how we'd get around that. |
Let's use an Alias eg. jonny 
| Code: | | RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\AboutURLs, jonny, 66.102.11.104 |
Afterwards create a standard desktop-web-shortcut. Target about:jonny (you'll get an error message, but confirm the target and it works) or you can create an AHK Hotkey | Code: | | Run, iexplore about:jonny,, Max |
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jonny
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Let's use an Alias |
Ya, I was thinking something like this, but the question is how? I don't trust most redirection sites as they're usually unreliable, some have ads, and most of them are crappy, unprofessional urls anyway.
Edit: Oh, I see you meant a personal registry alias. I meant something like http://www.bobotheguest.com/, rather than http://s127854038.onlinehome.us/ |
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AGermanUser
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I don't know anything 'bout installing a Wiki like the Mediawiki from Wikipedia. Sorry. But I found the wikipedia site which tells how to do it.
It's http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents
In case someone is interested or as a help.
A german site I know that uses this Wiki is the tuxbox project. So the wiki is obviously very customisable. Maybe it's not too difficult to install although I don't hardly know anything about installation. 
http://wiki.tuxbox.org/Hauptseite |
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jonny
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| It's ok; at this point I just want to know how many are interested in something like this. My previous attempt at an AHK fan-site bombed, but a wiki would probably be different. By the way, thanks for the site. |
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Chris
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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I like the idea of a wiki. I could probably set one up, though anyone is welcome to do it if you have the time and interest.
I guess the main focus would be a translation of the documentation to German (and maybe other languages if there is enough interest). It would be a big task, but if priorities are set (such as doing the Tutorial first), it might grow pretty quickly. Once momentum is gained, perhaps more bilingual volunteers will be attracted and contribute.
I have zero experience with wiki's and translation projects. Perhaps someone will see this and share their wisdom, preventing one or more false starts. |
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BoBo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately this one is already blocked by a guy named Jonny : http://www.jonny.com
Therefore won't be available to be linked at J's IP-tapeworm-URL, OTOH, nice car ! |
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jonny
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Why the heck would you buy a domain just to advertise a car... ? |
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BoBo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why the heck would you buy a domain just to advertise a car... ? |
I'd buy one just to link to you OK, it's only about 12 €/year, so what ?
I'm fine with that car. Nice, nice. Have I already said that I think it's nice ?
Guess we'd find an image of you, having your annual ice fishing session (with btw thousands of others around him) on a specific Minnesotan lake  |
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AGermanUser
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think it would be too difficult to realise a wiki for all languages altogether.
Therefore we would need a wiki for each language. Just like the wikipedia.
Maybe connected with subdomains like de.wiki.autohotkey.com. Or the german wiki under autohotkey.de and the english one under wiki.autohotkey.com. It's just a thought. 
I think the priority must be the translation of the commandlist and the description of every single commando. This would attract more users (programmer) which could then write tutorials, offer scripts, and so on. |
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AGermanUser
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I forgot to mention. Count me as "interested" jonny. |
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toralf
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Since I used the word "wiki" with only a rough knowledge of what it is. I just had a look at currently available wikis. I do not think it is the right tool for translation. Although some do look like they would be perfect for the help documentation, see WikiDoc.
The advantage is that every (or restricted) users can contribute to the documention/translation.
But it has the disadvantage of being organic. Even if the first german wiki would be an exact translation of the most up to date english documentation, as soon as the german is public, how could the german wiki be kept up to date? Since Chris is upgrading AHK frequently (which is a good thing) the documentation in the english (I suggest that only Chris is allowed to change that version) would change frequently in a lot of places too.
Therefore I conclude that wiki is not the right tool, because the documentations will diverge. But maybe BoBo (or any other prof. Google-Boy/Girl) turns up with a wiki that supports this kind of a "living" master doc/translated doc.
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BoBo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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First, Chris is in charge to provide the sources (I've used some AHK scripts to extract the HTML's) but I think that shouldn't be a standard.
Beside that it'll make sense to get confirmation about a master file/text format.
Chris ? |
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