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AHKFun"
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 Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: Should we defend AHK and how to do it ? |
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It seems to me
that there are more and more bad posts.
Especially if you ask for help
some guys make bad/useless/hostile/wrong/... post.
Do they have bad intentions
or just having (not friendly) fun?
Not sure.
But they make AHK and AHK community look bad.
They make AHK seems chaotic and hard to use.
So new users get disappointed and go away.
And even some not so new users.
So AHK community becomes fewer and weaker.
Personally, I think AHK is so good
it should/could have much more users.
And more users know/see more
and it'd make AHK and AHK community even beter.
So, should we defend AHK and AHK community?
= I think we should.
And how to do it ?
= Essential is to respond if you see some bad post.
= Especially if you're an advanced user and clearly see the post is wrong.
= Also, it is important not to become bad/angry/hostile/... as them, else ...
= Instead we'd be polite and win being smart and good and using right arguments.
= But be careful
= (not to be false)
= (not to defend bad things)
= (not to attack good things)
= Usually the best cure is to be AMAP short/simple/clear/...
= (don't waste your time/energy/... to fight)
= (just clear the fog and go on) |
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think we have more serious problems then n00bs. 
But you can't control chaos anyway. Chaos is controling you. 
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Titan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Meaningless help requests from users who put no effort into searching or studying the manual first should expect a similar response - fight fire with fire as they say. I do not like censorship, if you find somebody's tone particularly offensive best thing you can do is ignore them. Needless to say this website appeals to an audience of all ages so care must be taken to ensure nothing unacceptable for minors to see is posted; should such an occasion arise it's up to a moderator to alter or remove the content as he/she sees fit.
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MarioLA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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AHKFun" wrote
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Personally, I think AHK is so good
it should/could have much more users.
And more users know/see more
and it'd make AHK and AHK community even beter.
So, should we defend AHK and AHK community?
= I think we should.
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Tuncay
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 384
Location: Berlin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Useless question, of course we should.  |
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Guest"
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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=1= We should.
=2= How?
=2.1= Please, don't use "useless" (not friendly).
==== If you can help, just do it.
==== If you can't (or won't), please, don't.
==== you're useless, your line's uselles, your topic's useless, ...
==== not helping, not friendly, ...
=2.2= Please, don't try to help if you have not enough time/...
=2.3= Please, ... ... ...
==== Well, just see how good/smart/friendly/... guys do that.
==== See how Chris do that.
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AHKnow
Joined: 03 Jul 2004
Posts: 118
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Should we defend AHK and how to do it ? |
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| AHKFun" wrote: | It seems to me
that there are more and more bad posts.
Especially if you ask for help
some guys make bad/useless/hostile/wrong/... post.
Do they have bad intentions
or just having (not friendly) fun?
Not sure.
But they make AHK and AHK community look bad.
They make AHK seems chaotic and hard to use.
So new users get disappointed and go away.
And even some not so new users.
So AHK community becomes fewer and weaker.
Personally, I think AHK is so good
it should/could have much more users.
And more users know/see more
and it'd make AHK and AHK community even beter.
So, should we defend AHK and AHK community?
= I think we should.
And how to do it ?
= Essential is to respond if you see some bad post.
= Especially if you're an advanced user and clearly see the post is wrong.
= Also, it is important not to become bad/angry/hostile/... as them, else ...
= Instead we'd be polite and win being smart and good and using right arguments.
= But be careful
= (not to be false)
= (not to defend bad things)
= (not to attack good things)
= Usually the best cure is to be AMAP short/simple/clear/...
= (don't waste your time/energy/... to fight)
= (just clear the fog and go on) |
I think the problem is the eventual gap between advanced and beginner users. Some people have been using AutoHotkey for a long time, invested lots of time to learn it, are programmers, etc.... Therefore, they have become advanced users.
Based on the personality type, various advanced users have little patience with beginners and some will even make fun of them. Other advanced users, just have a pleasant and helpful personality type, so they don't mind helping. I think the point is to be polite, there isn't any good reasons to insult, abuse, or make fun of new users or less advanced users.
Hostility and abuse is something that can become infectious. If it's allowed to go unchallenged on the forum, than more and more people of negative personalities will entertain themselves by bashing and making fun of less advanced users. It's my personal opinion that this attitude is quite common on the AutoIt Forum.
Negative attitudes toward new users can impact the growth of your language and affect the overall opinion people have of it. Being successful is not just about being technically superior. It is also about how practical your language is, how people feel about using it, and what they think about the usefulness of the language.
Smashing a new user, could be the smashing of a great future idea, useful script, or development of your language. By being shortsighted, its hard to understand this, but these things have a tendency to show themselves over time.
If you are not going to help a user or don't have time, than just ignore them and continue on, there is no need to "kick the users in the balls" for a laugh or be mean.
However, some users are going to get stuck and need answers or just don't see how something can be done. A righteous and honorable man helps another man get up, when he is down, instead of kicking him in the teeth and stomping on him for laughs.
If a new user is not using search, than it's much more beneficial to tell them to use the search function FIRST, before asking a redundant question that has been asked before or simply link them to a previous AutoHotkey post where the question was answered.
You never know, that guy you help today, may be the one that helps you tomorrow. That guy you "stomp" and make fun of today, may be the one that stomps you back when you need help or you will become jealous of his success tomorrow. |
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[VxE]
Joined: 07 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| AHKnow wrote: | | I think the problem is the eventual gap between advanced and beginner users. |
A possible contributor to miscommunication (and hence, perceived hostility) could be a discrepancy in maturity, rather than skill at coding; since maturity has a much more direct influence on affect than any encyclopedic knowledge. [/psychobable]
Regardless of perceived attitude, I believe that, on these forums, a questioner receives answers of approximately the same quality and scope as the original question.
(iow: "Get What You Give")
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