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Rhys
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I wish it'd make it to the states. Probably won't, though.
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Rhys
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It's not on the same level, but I've really enjoyed my 05 Scion XB. Nice cheap car that still has decent build quality. Also has a small engine so it's easy on gas. The new models that came out this year are bigger with a bigger motor and are heavier, though.
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dmatch
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The really disappointing thing is a car like that shouldn't really be news at all.
The Chevrolet Sprint and then its successor, the Geo Metro, could get about 60 miles per gallon highway as far back as the mid 1980's (no air conditioner or power steering - like the Nano). City gas mileage ran around 45-50 miles per gallon depending on driving circumstances. My 1986 Sprint and 1991 Metro are still going strong today with a little shade tree mechanic help. Our 1991 4-door Metro will get 55 miles per gallon on the highway (actually some city mixed in also). Add air conditioner and mileage drops quite a bit.
It is nice to see current technology catch up with 20 year old technology. 
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Rhys
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| dmatch wrote: | The really disappointing thing is a car like that shouldn't really be news at all.
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It is nice to see current technology catch up with 20 year old technology.
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Agreed. However, I've noticed a trend towards smaller, more fuel efficient cars lately. Look at the Yaris, Fit, xA, etc. The vehicle that I'd really like to see hit mainstream is the 'reverse trike' - Check out the dead VW GX3 concept; I believe it's the closest any vehicle of that type was to mass-production. Performance and fuel economy (though probably would've been overpriced) similar to a motorcycle, but more driver friendly.
PS, I've hated Geo Metros since an uninsured girl driving one collided with me, head-on, while on her first 'solo' drive. What a mess.
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Laszlo
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We had a club here, where we came together for a picnic once a month, had some drinks, and a nice chat. This club was the successor of another one, which dissolved because of a bitter political dispute (about the Iraqi war). So, the new club had a condition: no discussion on politics and religion. This made it work for three years, until someone brought up a 50 years old event. For him it was history, for the older members it was politics, which affected their life, the fate of their relatives and friends. It is politics, because current politicians falsify the facts to fit their purposes. So a debate developed, whether it was taboo or not, and as a result a few members left, declaring the others unfair, paranoid and stupid. There was no picnic since.
The moral: if you start a discussion about political, social, racial, gender, religious etc. issues, where you cannot simply test who is right (like in programming), there will be bloodshed. It is very hard to fix the damage afterwards, so please don’t do it. |
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SKAN
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Friends, please cool down! ..
Let me take an opportunity to answer in my own topic.
| dmatch wrote: | The really disappointing thing is a car like that shouldn't really be news at all.
The Chevrolet Sprint and then its successor, the Geo Metro, could get about 60 miles per gallon highway as far back as the mid 1980's (no air conditioner or power steering - like the Nano). City gas mileage ran around 45-50 miles per gallon depending on driving circumstances. My 1986 Sprint and 1991 Metro are still going strong today with a little shade tree mechanic help. Our 1991 4-door Metro will get 55 miles per gallon on the highway (actually some city mixed in also). Add air conditioner and mileage drops quite a bit.
It is nice to see current technology catch up with 20 year old technology. |
Back in 1983 the Indian government formed Maruti Suzuki and gave us the excellent Maruti 800 and was priced around INR 85000 then. Those cars still run in Chennai in absolute fit condition ( complete Japanese technology, though ). The real challenge for TELCO is providing a comparable car at a price that existed 20 years before!
Even after witnessing a decade of westernization mania, many of the Indians are still conservative. When the company claims a mileage of 20KM / Litre, we guys know how to gain an another 20-40 % with neat driving habits.
Ratan Tata's speech at the unveiling ceremony of the 'Nano'
"There are solutions for most problems. The barriers and roadblocks that we face are usually of our own making and these can only be demolished by having the determination to find a solution, even contrary to the conventional wisdom that prevails around us, by breaking tradition.
Today's story started some years ago when I observed families riding on two wheelers, the father driving a scooter, his young kid standing in front of him, his wife sitting behind him holding a baby and I asked myself whether one could conceive of a safe, affordable, all weather form of transport for such a family. A vehicle that could be affordable and low cost enough to be within everyone's reach, a people's car, built to meet all safety standards, designed to meet or exceed emission norms and be low in pollution and high in fuel efficiency. This then was the dream we set ourselves to achieve. Many said this dream could not be achieved. Some scuffed at what we would produce, perhaps a vehicle comprising two scooters attached together or perhaps an unsafe rudimentary vehicle, a poor excuse for a car. Let me assure you and also assure our critics that the car we have designed and we will be presenting to you today will indeed meet all the current safety requirements of a modern day car."
A decent mobike cost around INR 40000 and an Auto-Rickshaw costs around INR 150000, but a Car for INR 120000 ? That is great achievement.
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Dragonscloud
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| Laszlo wrote: | We had a club here, where we came together for a picnic once a month, had some drinks, and a nice chat. This club was the successor of another one, which dissolved because of a bitter political dispute (about the Iraqi war). So, the new club had a condition: no discussion on politics and religion. This made it work for three years, until someone brought up a 50 years old event. For him it was history, for the older members it was politics, which affected their life, the fate of their relatives and friends. It is politics, because current politicians falsify the facts to fit their purposes. So a debate developed, whether it was taboo or not, and as a result a few members left, declaring the others unfair, paranoid and stupid. There was no picnic since.
The moral: if you start a discussion about political, social, racial, gender, religious etc. issues, where you cannot simply test who is right (like in programming), there will be bloodshed. It is very hard to fix the damage afterwards, so please don’t do it. |
That is an interesting story. If I may ask, do you live in an urban environment?
I live in a small town, with the pubs generally being the only places to socialize. Because we have the choice of either living in isolation or seeing the same people over and over when we choose to go out , we tend to be (for the most part) tolerant even of people who have views that we detest.
It is said to never discuss politics or religion in a bar. In this town, however, some of the best discussions I've seen are about these two taboo topics. That is with the caveat that those who disagree take the time to at least consider another point of view or agree to disagree. I've seen virtual church happen in a bar with all parties leaving in a very good mood. I've also seen lively political debates with all leaving in a good mood.
What is more likely to lead to bloodshed here are intolerant attitudes, outsiders messing with locals (even if the locals in question are disliked by the other locals), rooting for the "wrong" football team, or the presence of a woman who gets an ego boost from guys fighting over her. The latter is the most likely instigator of violence.
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From an article I read about the Nano-Car ~ "while its fair that people will have a more secure way to travel from A2B, that won't happen as fast as expected. There are not as much roads available in India to get the benefit out of this car. Even people who wanted to see the officall roadshow for the Nano couldn't make it, cause they were stuck in a huge traffic jam.
Btw, what about this one: [BoBo's next vehicle!]  |
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