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[VxE]
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| izwian wrote: | | However, we can prove that this "God" has not done the things said of Him/Her. |
Indeed, I say that "God" made Al Gore win the presidential race of 2000, so I have just proven your statement true! (Anyone care to take a class on predicate logic?)
| izwian wrote: | | The last thing I want is for something so sientific (AHK) to be poisoned with religion. |
Rather than an enumeration of abstract ideals (aka 'religion'), I'd be more worried about negative attitudes percolating through something I experience regularly...
And Fry, just mellow out. Your god probably doesn't need you to get all worked up over someone else's ideology, and your god probably doesn't want you to develop stress-related injuries by having a hissy-fit about it either.
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DerRaphael
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: |
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What kinda god is it that you guys believe in when you are also presuming what is the best for this particular god? Who are you to supersede your gods opinion about things? If you say that God is all mighty and you also tell how to worship that god, how comes you know such thing? From an old script telling so? What about all the others who also have old scripts, but these are telling different things about god? So who is right? Every major religion has their own truth and old skripts stating that this religion is the only one and all the others believe in false gods and/or worship the wrong way.
Take the evangelism of Thomas for example: It was found in the early 40ies of last century, carbon C14 method stated its even older than the origin scripts who made into bibles new testament. and still this is no official GUIDE to religion.
It is pure cynicism when a so called 'priest' tells his community that he is compared to a Sheppard and the community he talks to is compared to a sheep herd.
sorry, but: dont trust a religion who insist in the power of an allmighty god and has earthwires (aka lightning conductors) on their churches.
there is nothing bas in being religious. personally i prefer the flying spaghetti monster as the official version for creationism. One last thing: to quote the Principia Discordia: Every one of us is a pope!
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| majkinetor wrote: | | that God doesn't exist in the sense religion is telling us |
That is scientificaly proven.
| DerRaphael wrote: | | there is nothing bas in being religious. personally i prefer the flying spaghetti monster as the official version for creationism. One last thing: to quote the Principia Discordia: Every one of us is a pope! |
Thats nice. Flying spaghetti monster and creationism. Btw, check out what flyin spaghetti monster does to your children. (if you like horror)
PS 2 Fry:
Still not finished primary school ?
It shows...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| majkinetor wrote: | | majkinetor wrote: | | that God doesn't exist in the sense religion is telling us |
That is scientificaly proven. |
Don't besmirch the institutions of actual science with such drivel. The 'proof' that you are referring to is nothing but a rambling string of fallacious pseudo-logic filled with false premises and self-references. Additionally, the so-called 'proof' of a supernatural being's non-existance is a thinly-veiled attack on a very narrow range of religious establishments. And while I respect their right to free expression, I do not respect either pro-theistic or anti-theistic opinions masquerading as science or logic.
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Additionally, the so-called 'proof' of a supernatural being's non-existance is a thinly-veiled attack on a very narrow range of religious establishments |
You just restated what I have said. I never said God doesn't exist, nobody can say that. I said it is proven that it doesn't exist in particular context.
Narrow ?
| Quote: | | And while I respect their right to free expression, I do not respect either pro-theistic or anti-theistic opinions masquerading as science or logic. |
And what makes you think so ?
You were actually there, when god created world and know everything ?
I don't want to deal with your beleifes here. Post the proof for your words and we can speak. I posted one link that is most obvious. Have you seen it ?
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DerRaphael
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| majkinetor wrote: | | Btw, check out what flyin spaghetti monster does to your children. (if you like horror) |
actually what you refer to is not the flying spaghetti monster. i was referring to this here: http://www.venganza.org/
FSM is a reaction to the Approach teaching creationism (-> intelligent design) as an equal possibility to darwin's evolution theory in school.
@[VxE] as i mentioned before: religion is not a bad thing. its everybody's right to believe in whatever one wish. so you can take religion, as a way to express your own point of view. as long as its your own point of view...
religions where individuals - especially youngsters - have no possibility of choosing for them self, but being somewhat pushed into a system and treated as heretic when asking wrong questions are definitely wrong way.
Its a very basic right to have own believe, but when others start to tell you what you have to believe and what not, it turns in the wrong direction.
IMHO organized religions have only one goal: control masses of people. therefore its not connected to faith itself, but its politics. and a church acting upon the fear of people from death to realise political goals is no better than a dictator of a state who enslaves his own people.
did you ever realize that every major religion is organized like a mental virus? spread the word, to whoever and make them do as we want so these will get eternal pleasures, but those who dont will be punished even after death.
its based on the fear of eternal penalisation (-> hell) for the believers if they fall of their so called true faith. others who are not believing are treated as poor creatures who will not gain pleasures after death (-> paradise) and/or even worse getting death penalty (like in the dark medieval in europe, the suborganisation who was responsible for this, breed the new rc pope Ratzinger, btw).
and then some of the more enlightened ask why has earth become such a cruel place? .. look around, look at the past and ask what good it is to send children to some people who will teach them that when they dont obey to some greater powers they will live in their worst nightmares they can imagine. so these youngsters take their fate and obey and bow to some greater power as they've been told. in some cultures the best instructed even get send out to spread 'their' vision of faith to others and to punish everybody who will not affiliate even when it means they have to make a martyr of them self.
now how sick is that?
not true? i dont point in any direction, but whoever thinks this is exaggerated should more often have a look at world wide news ... not only the news you get presented every evening from some controlled agency.
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majkinetor
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | IMHO organized religions have only one goal: control masses of people. therefore its not connected to faith itself, but its politics. and a church acting upon the fear of people from death to realise political goals is no better than a dictator of a state who enslaves his own people. |
Yes, and that is what I was telling all the time.
| Quote: | | religion is not a bad thing. its everybody's right to believe in whatever one wish. so you can take religion, as a way to express your own point of view. as long as its your own point of view... |
Now you got it wrong raphael, or said it wrong. Religion definitely doesn't let you have your own view on things. You are probably talking about non-organised religion as sinonym for "right to beleive". Religion is synonim for one of the few main-streem religions out there (so, not spagety monster or your own vision of God)
| Quote: | | now how sick is that? |
Xtremely sick.
| Quote: | | not true? i dont point in any direction, but whoever thinks this is exaggerated should more often have a look at world wide news ... not only the news you get presented every evening from some controlled agency. |
Well, just watch the Zaitgeist move (its free). The first part of the movie is about religion and I doubt that anybody was so effective before. You litteraly have to be brain washed after seeing facts presented to still beleive in religion (the organised one  )
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IsNull
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I'm in absolute agreement with DerRaphael.
Further, religions where have a command structure are realy dangerous.(i.e. Christendom) Also, fanatic faith who makes identification of friend or foe is dangerous.(for example Mohammedanism) - This creates the basis for the hate.
I'm against all sort of religions. BUT, I respect other people, where belifes to something. At least, people how do that peacefully...
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While I appreciate everyone's insightful comments (well except for one persons), the original concern of the thread creator has been addressed and the 'offensive username' has gone. The last several posts are not only off topic but have strayed from philosophy to politics and religion which this forum and many other websites have a turbulent history with. To prevent the risk of truly offending anyone else I have decided to end this discussion with the permission of the creator. Users are more than welcome to continue on IRC.
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