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[Ice_Tea]

Hey!

Just read that EU might force Microsoft to include various web browsers to their future versions of Windows. This has happened once before, but that was regarding Windows Media Player... This is something that really bugs me.

Why the hell are MS forced to listen to this "bs" (Sorry can't think of a proper word atm...). Isn't it their right to include what the hell they want to their OS? I don't agree with opera, Windows is already bloated as it is, I don't think they should add additional crap just cause someone else got ** real bad... Ofc. the optional webbrowsers are kewl, I use Firefox and Google Chrome (some modifications I've made utilizing AHK). But still, I'd rather fetch the latest versions myself than having a bloated OS, besides they should be allowed to put w/e they want to their OS.

let's say I made a app that utilizes a dll from winamp, and suddenly EU forced me to apply support for iTunes/WMP/foobar or w/e, that would ** me off, it's my application why the hell am I forced to listen to someone else about the content in my app? Would you like it if someone forced you to implement other ** into your precious app?

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Wrote this on the fly, my arguments may not make any sense...
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[n-l-i-d]

I think the issue here is that MS interweaves IE so deep into the OS (like it does with Media Player), that it is near impossible to remove it (just try it), which is the reason that the EU sued them over it.

MS could just program IE to be a seperate program, than they wouldn't have this "problem".

And finally: this is essentially about search-engine revenue. MS wants users to use Live Search, Opera/FF/Chrome benefit from revenue they get from Google, and since most computer users are too ignorant to know there even exists different browsers, all of those companies ofcourse want their browser to be the default.

[Frankie]

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[garry]

Since I have a windows computer (XP, works fine) I used mosttime
Mozilla, notespad, ahk, Irfanview, OpenOffice, different search engines and VLC (instead of WindowsMediaPlayer)
(and many other small standalone commandline freeware combined with ahk)
MS should separate their programs

[Jex]

It's nice that they save memory, but that's where the good things stop.
I find most of their apps are outclassed by others. And they tend to be behind in most things. I think MS should stick to writing the OS, and leave the other programs to other people, for example Mozilla's done a fine job with Firefox.
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[Superfraggle]

if the system does not come with a web browser then how would you download an alternative?????
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[tank]

first of all telling microsoft what they can and can put in there own operating sytem is a bit like telling mercedes to use only pink steering wheels
its ludacris
hard drives today start at 40 gb so space it takes for the os is also a ludacris objection
what chaps my can is how often folks want to attack a retailer for not selling a product that is free. Fire fox opera etc
Ever look at the license. for these products
Microsoft could no more sell there OS with these products.
And why shouldnt Microsoft use there own software as the default
how mad would i be if fedora som how became required to include IE
seriously its no different
Folks need to calm down and realise. companies have a right to put any product they own in any product they sell. and consumers have a right not to buy them
if you dont want IE buy a MAC or even yet by your next pc with linux
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[Superfraggle]

Not only that but how many programs do you know that use the IE control in their applications to allow basic web functionality. If this was removed then applications would either need to launch your default browser or create their own web control.

It would increase the size of other apps. Also if IE wasn't tied in then M$ would have no need to create all the extra http calls that are also used by other apps.

I honestly agree that it makes pefect sense for IE to be in there and tied into the operating system the way it is. Anyway its not as if M$ try and prevent you from using alternatves.
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[gps4213]

[lrh9]

As someone who has tried to run their computer without Internet Explorer, I can definitely say that the way they integrate it with their operating system and support sites make the Windows operating system and Internet Explorer anti-competitive. What the courts should have done was tried them under competition law (a.k.a. antitrust law) and forced them to remove the critical dependencies the Microsoft operating system has on Internet Explorer or else face fines and maybe even ban the selling of the operating system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_%28commerce%29

[engunneer]

that would break most of the functionality in windows. IE is part of the engine of windows, and how it works.

People need to understand the IE /is/ the operating system (interface), and it happens to be able to browse webpages too.


should all linux distros be required to ship without a browser installed? they almost all force you to have Firefox, or some crap that is custom for the distro.

Shouls Apple be forced to remove Safari from Mac OS?

OSs come with internet browsers. That's because they need to.
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[sinkfaze]

[tank]

its entirely possible since you dislike microsoft so much that you should persue another OS as always the consumer drives the market more than the laws
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but not in despair; Persecuted‚ but not forsaken; cast down‚ but not destroyed;