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Volly
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 Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: AutoHotKey being used with games that have a TOS agains it |
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How does the powers that be (the folks who run this forum) feel about using AutoHotKey to do such things.
Example: World of Warcraft has a TOS that is specific in not allowing bots:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html
Arguments for running bots:
1. It speeds up the repetitive task of things in the game, making the game experience for the user in question more enjoyable.
2. It allows for the player to have an advantage over other players.
Arguments against bots:
1. It is not fair to players who do not bot.
2. It causes loss of revenue of the company who puts out the game
3. Anti-virus companies frequently see all AutoHotKey apps as bad and flag them. This causes many problems with folks who use AutoHotKey for business purposes.
Is running a bot OK to do or not?
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Carcophan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Is running a bot OK to do or not? |
It is agenst rules if you are AFK while the bot is running, if you are at your computer and interacting with the game itself, it is no different from an add-on.
'OK' is a moral term anymore, not a legal term. If you are that worried about it, then don't cheat, but you are far from the fist person intersted in WoW+AHK.
| Quote: | | Anti-virus companies frequently see all AutoHotKey apps as bad and flag them |
Essentially, any 'script' can be a 'virus'. The intentions are what define it as a 'virus' or a 'helpfull script', as some of the code and content is the same, the method of delivery is the same. |
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tidbit
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ... TOS against it |
| Quote: | | ... Is running a bot OK to do or not? |
read the bold.
Shouldn't it be obvious? if it's against the rules, it's not OK. If they allow exceptions, be sure to fallow the guidelines.
ps: fixed your typo.
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Volly
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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What I think is odd after reading a bunch of threads is most folks here have no issue with it. You would think there would be folks who would be irked at the thought of bots.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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generally, players who don't use bots are irked.
Most of us here are not players. What you do with AHK on your time is not our concern. We are not lawyers, and we have not read the TOS of the thing you want to use AHK with. If you get your account banned from some game or another, that is your risk.
If you have an AHK question, we help answer it. We won't help you do something criminal, but violating a TOS is not usually criminal. You can't be arrested for it, since it is not a law.
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gargoyle888
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 2. It causes loss of revenue of the company who puts out the game |
I'm not a gamer, so pardon my ignorance, but how does this reduce the revenue of the company? I would have thought that if anything it would have increased interest in the game. No? |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| gargoyle888 wrote: | | Quote: | | 2. It causes loss of revenue of the company who puts out the game |
I'm not a gamer, so pardon my ignorance, but how does this reduce the revenue of the company? I would have thought that if anything it would have increased interest in the game. No? |
I am a gamer, but do not use any outside apps at all.
I just started with AHK and look forward to learning its use.
but i must agree it would actually raise rather than lower revenue.
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they cold lose revenue because:
* they gotta spend time (time is money) on developing new spam/hack/cheat detection.
* if people pass on the word "the game is full of hackers/cheaters, it's not fun", there is a bunch of potential buyers are gone.
* the company has to pay developers to think of ways to detect new catching systems.
* someone could crash a server.
* extra customer support for all the noobs who complain about being scammed or hacked or w/e.
* to lazy to think of other reasons.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: AutoHotKey being used with games that have a TOS agains |
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| Volly wrote: | How does the powers that be (the folks who run this forum) feel about using AutoHotKey to do such things.
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Is running a bot OK to do or not? |
They don't have to feel anything about this.
They don't have to read the TOS of every existing game to check if threads about automating these games should be allowed or not...
So tolerance is probably a pragmatic stance.
Running a bot is not OK, since it is forbidden. But it is a problem between the game editor and the cheater. AHK authorities have nothing to do with that. A bit like a hammer: you can do wonderful things with that, or commit a crime...
| Quote: | | Anti-virus companies frequently see all AutoHotKey apps as bad and flag them. This causes many problems with folks who use AutoHotKey for business purposes. |
I believe it is unrelated to the current topic.
Anti-virus do false positives all the time, particularly with compressed applications (eg. using UPX). Nothing to do (I believe) with usage of AHK itself.
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