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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Autoit's Bad Name |
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| FireItBurns wrote: | | (A user recently wrote functions to allow the execution of raw machine code) |
You better ask the developers of AutoIt3 to accept a function pointer in DllCall (with dll to ""). I saw it accept already an ordinal number. |
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FireItBurns
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| twhyman wrote: | Hi,
After Reviewing the AutoIT function page, and viewing the examples
I personally think AHK need to "borrow" some needed functions like
The Whole TCP Section  , Beside that i think AHK is faster and cleaner.
BTW is there an AHK 2.0 on the horizon?
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Autoit does have some incredible TCP functionality. There have been Client-Server chat programs, I even wrote a type of Remote Administration program that lets you control your computer over the internet using Autoit commands (Like you can control the mouse, keyboard, windows, etc, by using native Autoit commands) |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Autoit's Bad Name |
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| FireItBurns wrote: | Hello. I am a long time user of Autoit3 and regular on the Autoit V3 forums. I'm using an alternate name to protect my identity 
I've heard of the hostility between Autoit and AHK before, and quite frankly, believe it is unnecessarily. Over on the Autoit3 Forums, threads are locked that even mention AHK. Personally, I choose Autoit3, because to me, the Syntax is cleaner, and it is very expendable (A user recently wrote functions to allow the execution of raw machine code)
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Ah, AutoHotkey users have played with functions for machine code too- http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic21172.html ( Machine code functions: Bit Wizardry )
When the dust settles, AutoHotkey will still have easier syntax and innovative syntax like LOOP and GUI, be faster (for now), be open source, and be about as powerful as AutoIt.
There will always be little things that AutoHotkey has that AutoIt does not have and AutoIt has that AutoHotkey does not, but overall they will be near equal.
A point, is that its all been done before in other programming/scripting languages like Visual Basic, Python, Perl, WinBatch, etc... So in a way, the roadmap of what can be done is kind of clear (though there will be surprises).
It's really a matter of what is easier to learn, easier to user, and faster. So that is why I think AutoHotkey get the nod, though your personal preference may have you choose differently. Which is not an issue, since there is plenty of room for both.
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About people saying the users on the forum are vicious:
This is totally a misconception. 90% of the members are really nice people. We do have one hilarious moderator who is able to drop the F bomb whenever necessary, and we can be a little hostile to members who are just learning Autoit to bot online games, but that is only to try to maintain Autoit's good name.
I do know i542 from the forums, and he can be... obnoxious. Heck, he is obnoxious. Katrijn (Posted earlier in the thread) is also a regular member toping off at thousands of posts. You can tell by the way she posted that message that we're not all bad over here. |
While only a small group (or group of moderators) on a forum are mean or treat people badly, like say 10%, it still has an impact on users and noobs. It is more than enough to generate a negative vibe and turn people off. Furthermore the "tone" of the forum is often set by the moderators. If they allow it, than it gives a kind of "message".
It's not like people have to use AutoIt, because there are other alternatives. So bashing users, noobs, people needing help, etc... does not mean they have to tolerate it. By having this mentality and negativity, you never know who you are "turning off". You never know what it could mean to the development of your language.
When it comes down to it, people will use AutoHotkey, AutoIt, or whatever programming language they feel like it and does what they need. While part of this is based on technical merit, its not the only reasons, and there are other factors that make a language popular or why people like to use it. |
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FireItBurns
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Autoit's Bad Name |
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When it comes down to it, people will use AutoHotkey, AutoIt, or whatever programming language they feel like it and does what they need. While part of this is based on technical merit, its not the only reasons, and there are other factors that make a language popular or why people like to use it. |
And that there is exactly the message i am trying to Convey
Honestly, as of right now, i have had to steer away from Autoit as i have switched over to Linux. Still post alot on their forums though.
Like you said, people will use whatever language they like. I just don't believe there should be hostility between our two groups. |
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Laszlo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Autoit's Bad Name |
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| FireItBurns wrote: | | on the Autoit3 Forums, threads are locked that even mention AHK. |
It is stupid, is no it? Do you really want to post to a Forum with such a hostile censorship?
| FireItBurns wrote: | | A user recently wrote functions to allow the execution of raw machine code |
He links directly to my thread in the AHK Forum:
If the censor does not pay attention, there seems to be crosspollination. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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It is stupid, is no it? Do you really want to post to a Forum with such a hostile censorship?
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It's not really a censorship, but it seems that whenever AHK is mentioned, some of the Hardcore Au3-over-Ahk lovers get a little bit overactive, and the locks are to prevent arguments. |
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AHKnow*
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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AutoHotkey on Pocket PCs/WinCE http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic27146.html (By Sir Knight Micha)
I just think AutoHotkey has reached a point of "explosive upward potential". Even more interesting, this is being done while Chris (the creator) appears to be on vacation.
This also illustrates the power of open-source and the freedom from those being negative about doing something different with the language to a certain extent. |
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