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Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by garry » 28 Aug 2020, 06:25

https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destroy-surveillance-capitalism-8135e6744d59
The net of a thousand lies :
What if the trauma of living through real conspiracies all around us — conspiracies among wealthy people, their lobbyists,
and lawmakers to bury inconvenient facts and evidence of wrongdoing (these conspiracies are commonly known as “corruption”) — is making people vulnerable to conspiracy theories?
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The most surprising thing about the rebirth of flat Earthers in the 21st century is just how widespread the evidence against them is.
You can understand how, centuries ago, people who’d never gained a high-enough vantage point from which to see the Earth’s curvature
might come to the commonsense belief that the flat-seeming Earth was, indeed, flat.

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by sai galvanize » 23 Aug 2020, 01:57

Hahaha are u serious tho

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by joedf » 10 May 2020, 23:21

oh noes.... :lol:

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by garry » 10 May 2020, 16:15

how really is :
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-- or maybe
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Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by joedf » 09 May 2020, 21:59

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Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Gio » 16 Apr 2020, 11:15

@ricky miller, IMHO we were actually making a progress while we kept the subject of 4D vs 3D, but then someone decided to go back to 3D vs 2D so... let them have it! :angel:

TLDR; The earth cannot possibly "be" a sphere, round, flat, or any other shape you can possibly even think of right now: All these models are subjective and flawed simplifications. Shapes are and always will be perspective-bound and there is much more than one possible perspective out there.

There is another possibility yet to be discussed regarding this subject: Maybe the shape is somewhat like the wave-particle duality and the uncertainty principle in quatum mechanics. Basically, whenever you look at the earth, you are looking from a given perspective, which means that the earth is forced to assume either 2D or 3D aspects depending on the measurements being taken by you. The earth seems flat on ground level and it seems round on the distance, but are any of these shapes a real final answer? See below.

Spoiler

:arrow: Let us now consider this the question: if the earth seems flat on ground level and seems round on the distance, and if we stick to these notions, aren't we just trying to define it's shape based on the observer? :think:

If we know that the earth is at the very least 4D (since spacetime distortion is proved and earth is thus affecting the spacetime, around and in itself, in an unseeable way) but we also know that we cannot even currently imagine it's true 4D shape, does the true shape of the earth really even exists? or rather: does the shape even exists without an observer?

Think about it: we know that when we look at a planet, light reaching our eyes had it's path distorted by the planets mass/gravity. Therefore, we know by conclusion that the planets actual shape is NOT as we see it. But is an actual shape not just a creation of our brains?

:arrow: When you program a game, you assign properties to the objects in such a way that upon rendering, they are represented in a 3D space. But do these properties form a 3D space without the actual rendering? We can certainly program objects with more than 4 dimensions, we just cannot renderize them unless we find a way to drop them into a 3D (or 2D) representation. But the objects can exist in 4D in our programming regardless of the observers and whats more: they can interact with each other in 4D. However, accurate representations of them cannot be made. So if the object is actually 4D and we do simplify it to a 3D form, and them even further simplify it to a slideshow of 2D frames (like an animation), does that mean that the object IS 3D and nothing more? NO! And the same should probably apply to earth: it is NOT simply 3D.

:arrow: There is no such a thing as a 4D shape. Shapes are observer dependant and as far as we can tell from known human observers, this means that shapes are at most 3D. And if the "shape" of the earth can be (and IS actually) affected by more than 3 dimensions, then we reach a problem here: no shape can accomodate the earth in it's full glory.

Spoiler

:arrow: So now that we know for certain that earth isn't "ultimately" round, but rather that a very simplified representation of it that doesnt account for many of it's characteristics is. Let us discuss then something else that seems to be very important for this topic: what the flat-earth (or even the round-earth) mentality actually is.

The flat-earth mentality is the binding of a mind to a simplified concept. Thus, it is a denial of any other possible models, of any other possible views. It is the proposition of a single objective representation, perceivable by men (because men "must have the truth"), that would somehow be able to cancel other concurring representations. Now, this may apply to flat-earth views, but we must all open our eyes: it can also apply equaly to 3D views, such as the round-earth prospect.

:arrow: When we say the earth is 3D, what we are doing is also simplifying the matter based on OUR limited perceptions, even though we know already that there are many other material properties in the object that could very well make into new dimensions on a different perspective.

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What people do when they propose a model (be it 2D, 3D or whatever) is to simplify the set of characteristics up to a point. It is the same thing we do when we project a map or a building. We take the variables that are most important (to us, obviously, because other variables can be more important for other scenarios!) and then use only these to build up a plan that can be represented in 2D or 3D depending on the scope of the object. As the projects scope changes, however, so does the importance of each variable, and this can go up to a point in which GPS system planning REQUIRED 4th dimension calculations to work. Thats right: An extant observable phenomena does require the earth to be thought of as a 4D object rather than a 3D one.

:arrow: So if "shapes" cannot accomodate 4D, 5D or even higher dimensional objects, than it must be true that
Gio wrote:
13 Sep 2017, 17:43
Conclusion: The earth has no definitive shape. (Where is that option?) :think:
Cheers! :beer:

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by garry » 14 Apr 2020, 10:03

20200404
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link
British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories
5G is causing anarchy in the UK

Covid-19 burned down 5G transmitters ...
In the meantime, several 5G transmitter in the Netherlands have been damaged or burned down.

20200414
https://www.apparata.nl/nieuws/meer-nederlandse-5g-zendmasten-in-brand-na-corona-complot-36010
Vorige week dachten we dat het niet veel gekker zou worden; complotdenkers hadden een 5G zendmast in Brabant in brand gestoken omdat deze zou bijdragen aan corona.
Nu blijkt dat de stupiditeit van de aluminiumfolie-hoedjesdragers ( tin foil hats ) nog betrouwbaarder is dan het 5G netwerk zelf.
Ondertussen zijn meerdere 5G zendmasten in Nederland beschadigd of in vlammen opgegaan.

20200414
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/britain-s-itv-under-fire-over-presenter-s-5g-coronavirus-comments-12640826
LONDON: Britain's biggest free-to-air broadcaster ITV came under fire on Tuesday (Apr 14) after one of
its leading presenters said no one knew whether a conspiracy theory that 5G masts help spread the novel coronavirus was true or not.

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Frosti » 14 Apr 2020, 04:40

:rainbow: It just has to be right because there is logic! :rainbow:

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Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by BNOLI » 14 Apr 2020, 03:50

Funny to see that this "topic" :lolno: has even made it to a developer forum MUAHAHHHAHHA :lol:
... sorry have to leave to watch another episode of Baldy Catz and SciManDan at Youtube :mrgreen:

OK, OK, this is one of my favorite ones

:silent: :shifty: :shh:

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by suriraj » 18 Mar 2020, 04:19

Lemme see…in my opinion, one of the best arguments against the flat earthers and space hoax goofballs, is simply when you explain what they believe is REALLY going on. The silliness of their beliefs really sinks in when you lay it all out. Just knowing that there are rather sizable groups of people out there that actually subscribe to, and argue in defense of, this silliness is so disappointing, and is indicative of a failure somewhere in the system.

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Noel Pil » 23 Feb 2020, 16:10

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by downforever » 22 Feb 2020, 11:43

I think when it comes to flat or globe we all forget that there is truth and false. So to be sure about this question you just need to learn all arguments of flat earth and all of globe, make conter arguments and compare all sides. Spoiler. Globe will win, but this has to be done. Cause this fake science can not only a joke fore internet community, someone can be really hurts because of bulling, because people don't always tollerant to stupid people. So the best way to defend here is to not be stupid.

And, by the way Earth isn't round or flat, globe - is not the explanation. Earth has helipsoid form.

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by CyberSlav » 06 Feb 2020, 16:34

Cmon, everybody knows the earth is really just a tetrahedron of perfect symmetry.

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by lmstearn » 06 Feb 2020, 12:15

Flat Earth may not exist in any other context than a two-dimensional mind. A side-scrolling spectacle of life as it presents in a closed set of infinite 2D planes. Which would be an amazing thing from other perspectives, notably the popular 1D point of view,- or even zero D!
Ah, for a slow boat to 0D space, the home of all dimensions!

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by suriraj » 05 Feb 2020, 01:25

I always thought those “Flat Earth” folks were just online trolls that didn’t actually believe in a Flat Earth, and were simply seeking to stir the pot.

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Xeo786 » 09 Jan 2020, 02:28

suganm wrote:
09 Jan 2020, 01:27
they have meetings every Friday ......a bunch of crazy men and woman
I can only wish to have those meeting visited :problem:

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by suganm » 09 Jan 2020, 01:27

One of my friends is a flat earther,who has tried many times to convince me and our circle of friends,we all have told him on numerous occasions that the earth is round like all the other planets in the universe,but no luck he is a firm believer he has eight flat earth followers and they have meetings every Friday ......a bunch of crazy men and woman

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Gio » 07 Jan 2020, 09:45

Jondirbos wrote:
10 Dec 2019, 08:36
... The connection seems to be to tie in fundamentalist christianity (the bible says the earth is like a snowglobe or something), government conspiracies, pseudoscientific spiritual medicine vs real evil conspiracy medicine, and technology fears.

Flat earthers I've seen believe in the bible's version of the earth, and from that they go to say that it's the end times and that the united states government is evil and conspiring to make people non believers, and some of the methods include using technology that attacks the spirit.
So yours is a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theorists conspiring? :beer:

You are wrong about christians. A quick survey should demonstrate that the vast majority of christians are not flat-earthers (including many of the so called fundamentalists). Here a couple articles from a fundamentalist christian site debunking flat-earth ideas:

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/is-the-earth-flat/
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Xeo786 » 07 Jan 2020, 08:11

According to Word Game... :geek:

Engineers work on assuming land is flat, In arabic "ard ارض " which means land, and it sounds like Earth "ard"
another thing, the word Plant Earth is an Oxymoron. :eh:

Planet means `Warder Star`, all star travel in sync except these wanderer stars, they are faster than every other star in the sky,
Earth literally is not wandering in the sky as star. this proves now Earth is not a planet , :idea:

Landing can only be made on land, :shifty: otherwise it will be something else if you skip the word land from landing :HeHe: , as I previously said Ard `which means land` is Earth `which also mean land` unless you behave like some stubborn globalizational freak, :trollface:

let us come to the word Global :sick:
The thing I do not like, I also do not like to describe so read the link :terms:
http://www.mrglobalization.com/globalisation/252-globalization--origin-of-the-word

so in simple word global is introduced by some newbie in 1930 :facepalm: and we coders hate newbies so much we defiantly not gonna like such newbie word global which do not have any meaningful connection :problem: , well the acceptance can only be make as far as all planets (wanderer stars) can be considered global :ugeek: and earth is not meaningfully earth when you call it global :cookie: ,

I am not here to prove Earth is flat but I can assure you earth is not global either, you all know, what it is?, its simply a Land, the only place where you can make landings, and please do not act like gf

gf = some stubborn globalizational freak :trollface:
:beer:

Re: Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth

Post by Jondirbos » 10 Dec 2019, 08:36

I don't believe in it, but from what I've seen it seems to be a religious thing, mixed in with other conspiracy theories. The connection seems to be to tie in fundamentalist christianity (the bible says the earth is like a snowglobe or something), government conspiracies, pseudoscientific spiritual medicine vs real evil conspiracy medicine, and technology fears.

Flat earthers I've seen believe in the bible's version of the earth, and from that they go to say that it's the end times and that the united states government is evil and conspiring to make people non believers, and some of the methods include using technology that attacks the spirit. From that, it justifies lumping in the belief that NASA is faking everything. In order to appear semi-intellectual, they say that all scientists are anti-Christian propagandists that are trying to hide the "fact" that the earth is flat.

After all of the above, some try to go even more extreme and say that the earth is the center of the entire universe, and the reason that people don't believe it anymore is because of all this anti-Christian propaganda and spirit attacking technology and fake science and medicine (they usually say vaccines have something to do with attacking the body so that it can weaken the spirit or lower iqs or something to that effect). They say that the powers that control this I don't believe in it, but from what I've seen it seems to be a religious thing, mixed in with other conspiracy theories. The connection seems to be to tie in fundamentalist christianity (the bible says the earth is like a snowglobe or something), government conspiracies, pseudoscientific spiritual medicine vs real evil conspiracy medicine, and technology fears.

Flat earthers I've seen believe in the bible's version of the earth, and from that they go to say that it's the end times and that the united states government is evil and conspiring to make people non believers, and some of the methods include using technology that attacks the spirit. From that, it justifies lumping in the belief that NASA is faking everything. In order to appear semi-intellectual, they say that all scientists are anti-Christian propagandists that are trying to hide the "fact" that the earth is flat.

After all of the above, some try to go even more extreme and say that the earth is the center of the entire universe, and the reason that people don't believe it anymore is because of all this anti-Christian propaganda and spirit attacking technology and fake science and medicine (they usually say vaccines have something to do with attacking the body so that it can weaken the spirit or lower iqs or something to that effect). They say that the powers that control all these anti-Christianity efforts are satanists and whatever other evil thing, have ties to other popular evil things, etc etc., and that that is their motive for doing everything they've done, to get favor with the devil in a kind of Faust way.

Their way of justifying their belief that the whole universe revolves around the earth is that the earth is special because it's god's testing ground for humans. People don't believe it because the devil is trying to make them fail the test as bad as possible.

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