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Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by joedf » 5 minutes ago

Disclaimer: not saying I am for or against, as I don't believe I want to discuss politics here. :? :? :?
but in terms of black or white, lightness and darkness, I think historically... it is religious in nature, as it possibly relates as to whether or not there is "a lack of [God's] light." ?

Perhaps blocklist and rightlist are a homonymic-ish compromise, albeit perhaps inappropriate. :?

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by nnnik » 23 minutes ago

For the love of god you can't tell me that saying allowlist instead of whitelist limits your ability to express yourself or criticize twitter.
If anything saying allowlist is expanding your options and freedom since it is removed from the racist- undertones white and blacklist contains.

I don't actually think you want to defend those racist undertones either.
Do you just not want to change? When such a change as it is presented here happens suddenly it can seem a bit scary.
But it will still take a long time until the natural process of it changing happens. So don't be afraid of that.

Still I don't see how removing the words "Master/Slave" could make a workplace more inclusive.
People have to have and use a lot of freedom in shaping their own private lifes to make this specific term a concern.

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by garry » Today, 02:41

a movie review / Sully , Hudson river ... nobody was talking about the geese .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8Lm4t_zJI
"A group of geese entered the U.S. without passports and launched a suicide attack on a civilian aircraft and you're trying to make heroes out of them ? "

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by gregster » 05 Jul 2020, 22:06

guest3456 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 18:29
i wasnt commenting on the twitter platform directly.. that list was from their engineering team, probably for their internal docs and codebase. certainly they aren't going to censor their users who tweet on their platform (yet?)

i was commenting more on the culture war, that they've fallen prey to, with the orwell reference as the likely end game if this nonsense isn't curbed
Every social media platform already applies its own terms of services on a daily basis, but currently these terms are applied unevenly. If your utterances are deemed "newsworthy", you get a pass.
If you look at how Twitter's engineering team came to these new policies, you can see that their process was started months ago by Black employees, and just was accelerated by recent events. I don't see how you could curb that, if they have the support of Twitter's leadership and key advertizers - except by cutting freedoms of speech - politically. So everyone should be careful what they wish for.
After all, cancel culture is really nothing that is limited to the so-called woke people. I am old enough to remember (conservative) people blowing up their Keurigs or burning their sneakers, or even people throwing hissy fits at the supermarket over wearing a mask, meant to protect the freedom and health of others.

To quote Rev. Peter Marshall, former US Senate chaplain:
May we think of freedom, not as the right to do as we please, but as the opportunity to do what is right.

In this case here, my point was mainly that using quotes from fictional sources - completely ripped from historical, political, literary and personal context - feels like fanning the conflict even more. It doesn't prove anything and feels at best random and wildly exaggerated, if not taken straight from the online culture warrior's meme repository.

PS: That said, I personally wouldn't like to see this culture war extended to these forums. Of course, it can be discussed, like seen here, but aren't there already enough (too many) online and offline battlefields?

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by boiler » 05 Jul 2020, 19:13

I see Twitter Engineering’s announcement as a reflection of cultural language shifts that have been occurring for decades (centuries, actually) and is recently accelerating due to the Black Lives Matter movement getting much more focus for obvious reasons. Although many denounce the effect “political correctness” has had on the language, I think most people cringe when they look back at some terminology that was commonly used decades ago. Certainly in the US, our language has changed as civil rights advances have been made.

It may be a little jarring to see new terms starting to replace old ones, but it’s happening organically, even if it’s being driven by those that some may think are too sensitive or reactionary. It’s still occurring as a result of changing societal norms, not imposed by a ruling class. The society depicted in 1984 (which I read some time before 1984) would have rejoiced at having some ability to choose the terms they use. If Twitter were to adopt policies that were considered too out of step, it’s the general population that would cry foul (as guest3456 and certainly others are doing), not the government. That’s a good thing. The same goes for those that are applauding the announcement. Yes, it’s a cultural war of sorts, and open debate is a positive. Unfortunately lately, people are getting so dug in that they won’t listen to anyone that doesn’t reinforce their own views. Hopefully that’s a temporary phenomenon of getting used to the advent of social media and greater access to non-traditional media outlets.

Having said that, I do think we have to be careful of the “cancel culture” posing too harsh of penalties on individuals for what might be seen as transgressions in the changing landscape, especially when looking back at things said or done years ago. Everything needs to be taken into the context of the times. And as things change, we should realize that not everyone changes at the same speed, and current actions should be judged with that in mind. Expecting everyone to have the same degree of “wokeness” can be dangerous.

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by guest3456 » 05 Jul 2020, 18:29

i wasnt commenting on the twitter platform directly.. that list was from their engineering team, probably for their internal docs and codebase. certainly they aren't going to censor their users who tweet on their platform (yet?)

i was commenting more on the culture war, that they've fallen prey to, with the orwell reference as the likely end game if this nonsense isn't curbed

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by gregster » 05 Jul 2020, 15:32

To put these two quotes in relation feels like a stretch, especially if you happen to quote George Orwell :D - a few comments (just in case this comparison was meant seriously ;) ).

I wasn't aware that Twitter is a government - but they seem to start to resist a tiniest bit to a powerful government that tries to make its own use of language into the centre of a culture war.
I mean, the company's decision is literary the opposite of (what many people imagine) socialism would look like. After all, it's a free market choice, if Twitter wants to change its own usage of language.

Re Orwell's positions:
Spoiler

Whatever you think of Twitter's exact plans (or Orwell's views), I don't buy that it will limit free speech, or be the end of free thought.
(Python already dropped the master/slave terminology in 2018 - and still, we lived. ;) )

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by joedf » 05 Jul 2020, 13:27

:? George Orwell knew things.

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by guest3456 » 05 Jul 2020, 10:23

Twitter Engineering wrote: We’re starting with a set of words we want to move away from using in favor of more inclusive language, such as:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak wrote:Newspeak is the fictional language of Oceania, a totalitarian superstate that is the setting of George Orwell's dystopian 1949 novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. To meet the ideological requirements of English Socialism (Ingsoc) in Oceania, the ruling Party created Newspeak,[1] a controlled language of simplified grammar and restricted vocabulary, meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, free will—that threatens the ideology of the régime of Big Brother and the Party, who have criminalised such concepts into thoughtcrime as contradictions of Ingsoc orthodoxy.

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by garry » 17 Jun 2020, 07:00

a walk through the city .. in USA
https://granolashotgun.com/2020/06/16/pyrrhic-victory/
Cities aren’t going to die in a vacuum.
When you see a vacant office building what you’re really looking at is your pension fund going belly up.
Most of these giant buildings could only be constructed and managed with huge pools of institutional money.
It doesn’t matter all that much whether you have a government pension or a private 401K.
This is the kind of thing your money is sunk in.

Netherland : Naval heroes are under attack
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/hollandse-helden-of-schurken-wie-waren-deze-zeelieden-precies~aa5c3ef7a/
Naval heroes are under attack. One wants to erase their names and images from the street scene. The other sees this as an attack on our identity. But many Dutch people have no idea who those sailors were.

20200624
https://www.rt.com/usa/492856-assange-new-conspiracy-charges/
New US indictment of Assange accuses WikiLeaks founder of ‘conspiring with Anonymous’ hackers… in FBI sting op?

20200629
https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/trending/borat-sacha-baron-cohen-right-wing-festival-prank-12879962
Naughty prank: Actor Sacha Baron Cohen gets people to sing racist lyrics at festival

20200626 Mask Corona Covid-19
https://twitter.com/richdavisphd/status/1276629360212979712
First, I sneezed, sang, talked & coughed toward an agar culture plate with or without a mask.
Bacteria colonies show where droplets landed.
-A mask blocks virtually all of them.

20200629
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/iran-issues-arrest-warrant-for-trump-asks-interpol-to-help/articleshow/76689361.cms
TEHRAN: Iran has issued an arrest warrant and asked Interpol for help
in detaining President Donald Trump and dozen others it believes carried out the drone strike that killed a top Iranian general in Baghdad

20200629
https://www.rt.com/news/493271-microsofts-code-service-github-down/
Microsoft’s code service GitHub goes down, leaves developers wondering where their coding went

20200629
https://www.rt.com/usa/493289-malware-internet-things-hacker-nexus/
A 22-year-old man from Washington state has been handed a 13-month prison sentence for developing, using and selling access to Internet of Things malware.

20200629 Norway Norwegian cancels 97 Boeing
https://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/i/Jok3PJ/norwegian-kansellerer-boeing-ordre-paa-97-fly?
Norwegian cancels order to buy a total of 97 aircraft from Boeing, the company said in a stock exchange announcement.
At the same time, legal action is notified to the manufacturer.
The cancellation applies to five 787 Dreamliners and 92 737 Max, according to the report.

20200701
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/russia-confirms-record-high-temperature-in-siberian-town-12887452
Russia confirms record high temperature in Siberian town
Verkhoyansk had still been well-known as a Pole of Cold.
It recorded a record of -67.8 decrees Celsius at the end of the 1990s. Now it's 38 degrees
The Arctic is warming at twice the speed of the global average.

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by BoBo » 16 Jun 2020, 08:26

There is No Algorithm for Truth : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX541Dr2rU&t=19m7s :think:

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by garry » 05 Jun 2020, 00:44

'copyright'
20200604
https://repair.eu/news/apple-crushes-one-man-repair-shop/
Apple crushes one-man repair shop in Norway’s Supreme Court, after three-year battle
A recent Eurobarometer survey by the European Commission shows that almost 8 in 10 Europeans think manufacturers should be required
to make it easier to repair electronic devices or replace parts.


20200603
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200 ... ment.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg
Italian Public Prosecutor Says Project Gutenberg's Collection Of Public Domain Books Must Be Blocked For Copyright Infringement
As everyone knows, Project Gutenberg promotes the widest dissemination and knowledge of the registered cultural memory.


20200605
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/twitter-disables-trump-video-tribute-to-floyd-over-copyright-complaint-12807168
"We respond to valid copyright complaints sent to us by a copyright owner or their authorized representatives," a Twitter representative said.
It also labeled a Trump tweet about protests in Minneapolis as "glorifying violence."

'Covid-19'
20200603
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200603-divorces-rise-by-30-per-cent-in-saudi-arabia-after-quarantine-uncovers-polygamous-husbands/
Divorces rise by 30% in Saudi Arabia after quarantine uncovers polygamous husbands
The majority of women who requested divorces from their polygamous husbands were employees, businesswomen, prominent women in the community and female doctors


20200605 Nederland 'zwarte piet' / ' Black Pete '
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/netherlands-george-floyd-protests-racism-black-face-12808778
AMSTERDAM: Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his attitude towards "Black Pete", a figure from pre-Christmas
celebrations that has been criticised as a racist caricature, had undergone "great changes" in recent years.
Rutte said his view had changed since 2013, when he said: "Black Pete is just black and I can't do much about that."
Now he expects the tradition to disappear.
He was speaking on Thursday (Jun 4) in a parliamentary debate about anti-racism protests in the Netherlands held in solidarity with demonstrations in
the United States after the death in police custody of George Floyd, an unarmed black man in Minneapolis.
In the Dutch tradition, St Nicholas brings gifts to kids accompanied by numerous "Petes", clownish servants usually portrayed by white people in black face paint wearing frizzy wigs and red lipstick.
The tradition is already changing. Some celebrations feature Black Petes with dabs of paint on their cheeks, representing soot from the chimneys he is said to climb down to deliver presents.
Others include multicoloured Petes, dropping the word "black" from the name.


USA San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge starts to 'sing' after design fix
https://www.youtube.com/embed/IfsZ585gTnE
San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge LOUD Deafening Noise During High Winds - June 5, 2020
20200606
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/06/golden-gate-bridge-san-francisco-sings
'A giant wheezing kazoo': Golden Gate Bridge starts to 'sing' after design fix
Strange sound coming from bridge explained by new bicycle-path railings that make ‘music’ as wind passes through
City officials offered an explanation for the sound, which can seemingly be heard several miles away


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/cnainsider/breaking-silence-ugly-truth-beauty-contests-pageants-philippines-12810222
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/video-on-demand/undercover-asia/cost-of-the-crown-12654252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt8HGce7KFA


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/india-arrests-man-over-death-elephant-killed-expolosives-12812064

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by boiler » 29 May 2020, 17:46

@garry, it's already OK. It's funny as it is. Thanks for posting it.

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by garry » 29 May 2020, 16:44

@boiler , thank you , usually raccoon / for incessantly > endless ( ? ) , which phrase / sentence will be ok ?

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by boiler » 29 May 2020, 16:20

Ah, OK. :oops: I'll have another Corona. :beer:

At least I am pretty sure incessantly can't be spelled that way. :D

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by gregster » 29 May 2020, 16:04

boiler wrote:
29 May 2020, 16:01
I hate to be that guy, but raccoon has two c's. :silent:
Well, :D it's not wrong with one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon wrote:The word is sometimes spelled as racoon,
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racoon wrote:less common spelling of raccoon

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by boiler » 29 May 2020, 16:01

I hate to be that guy, but raccoon has two c's. :silent:

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by SKAN » 29 May 2020, 14:06

@garry :D

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by joedf » 29 May 2020, 14:02

Gasp! :O

Re: « What's on your mind? »

Post by garry » 29 May 2020, 13:49

Racoon ... washes his hands incessantly ...
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