guest3456 wrote:cyruz wrote:Why all this drama? Is it not possible to discuss the issue without getting emotional? If there will be no outcome from the discussion we could just start a poll and ask the community, as it has been done in the past...
here is why there is drama:
there are two hackers/sysops who are on power trips wanting to display their omniscient knowledge, and are condemning and criticizing the volunteers who aren't as smart as them. the volunteers said, "hey if you know better, go ahead and help fix these issues for us". instead, they declined and started this crusade to point out how dumb everyone else is.
that sums it up
If that's how I come across, I apologize. I've said several times I'm not familiar with the competency in charge, I just supported the op's statement that there are serious holes that need fixing. My intention was never to display superiority, there are many far more capable than I am, I'm actually a very humble human being, believe it or not. I like to help others better themselves, not belittle them for not knowing things. That wasn't my goal at all, and if I at all upset or offended Tank or Joe#2, I give my sincerest apology, I just wanted to help... I know I came across like an ass at first, but I thought I had corrected my mistake. apparently not. I'm sorry for any drama or harm I may have caused. If we're being honest with each other, I myself have quite the inferiority complex, I never feel that I'm good enough, and I strive constantly to be better, I push myself in every direction, wherever I can improve... often this leaks from me, to be directed at others, I may be too critical to the point of being insulting, and often don't realize that I am... that's how I criticize myself, and my work, I guess I shouldn't expect the same for others, as they don't demand the same from themselves. I forget that. I am very much an example of Asperger's, lol. So I see now that I'm coming across as some better than thou pompous ass, again, I apologize, my intention truly was to help, I just have a hard time doing so.
In the defense of draino, he made his statement and left it at that... it wasn't until after my post that he returned, I feel entirely at fault here now. I don't want to cause drama within this community, I've come to like it.
I could defend my statements, I still think many of my observations were valid, but now I feel I went about it the wrong way.
One thing I will state though, Guest, you keep on bringing up the fact that they are volunteers, what does this matter? Whether or not it is paid or volunteer work, it's still a job. I know I treat my volunteer work as I would any paid position, and give it my all. If I didn't have time, or the ability to tend to my duties in a position, I would say so, and allow someone to step in who could to replace me. I'm not at all saying that's what should happen here, I just don't think leniency should be taken because they aren't in a paid position. A job is a job is a job is a job. I've actually found things you've said to be insulting, I'm not at all questioning their competency, I think Tank is competent enough, I don't know enough about JoeDF at all.
I think I was too quick to make the assumption that Tank and Joe don't consider security a priority. My assumption was based on limited information. I had heard of AHK many years ago, but never thought it to be something I could utilize, or would need. I already have a plethora of scripting languages under my belt, but I was looking for an alternative for a friend of mine who was looking for something along these lines. I remembered AHK being mentioned and touted as a great learning tool for beginners on LifeHacker and several other tech sites, and just happened to come across this post. At first, I assumed this was simply how it has always been, and for a "well-regarded" scripting program, that the administrators here were long-standing and simply did not care. Now that I think about it, I guess my initial "gut reaction" was to push buttons ever so gently, to get the admins to care, to light a fire under them and get them working. I quickly realized the error in doing so, and tried to rescind, but I still had assumptions to work from. Tank knows exactly what security holes there are, and I have no doubt that in time, they will be fixed. I didn't know the history, I made huge assumptions that this is how it's been for years, and I was wrong. Hell, yesterday I didn't even know this was the "newer AHK" site, that autohotkey.org even existed, lol. I just want give some insight into my thought process coming here, I didn't mean to stir up shit, I promise. I came here thinking, "I thought this was a respected scripting language/software for beginners, what the hell man, you would NEVER see this on PYTHON.org", then I went poking, and it didn't take me long to find issues. I jumped to conclusions, I expected more from the community than hissy-fits and backstage drama from the administration/moderators (at least publicly, WE ALL KNOW they happen everywhere
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), this was the very first post I clicked on... and I probably should have left it alone, to be honest, this isn't my place, and I took turned this conversation into something I didn't want, nor anticipate, again, I'm sorry, not only to the three involved, but to the community. I am a very vocal person, I speak up far too often, I defend any position I side on, whether I'm involved or not, and I can take things too personally, causing me to become too invested. This personality trait is both a gift and a curse.Most of the time, it's my fast-track to leadership roles, I'm often a large voice in a community, and people listen to me... sometimes to a fault. It's not often I am the proprietor of drama... I don't like it, I don't think it helps any thing at all, it's quite often a waste of time. I'd like not to participate in it here, I'd much rather, if I do find a place here, help, than harm.
From Tank's last post, it's clear to me now that he is competent in his role, I just hope he can find time to fulfill it, it can be balancing something like this, with family, and another full-time job on top! I've said it several times before, I do not envy it... I've been there, done that, stretched myself so thin I was on the brink of breaking down constantly. I had to learn to make time for myself, and know my limitations. I've experienced severe burn-out from working two full-time jobs, one very similar to Tank's. I can relate to him. Thanks for clearing up the facts, and helping me realize the assumptions I had of this site weren't accurate. Again, I apologize for being an inciter, and for any harm I may have caused.
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