Thu November 10, 2016
This is no longer completely accurate but kept for archives. We have regained autohotkey.com a little while ago.
Spoiler
This is asked usually several times a week on IRC: "what's ahkscript" .. "is ahkscript official" .. "who made ahkscript" .. "is the other forum dead now" .. etc. So many questions as to who/what/why this site exists.
Here's a short explanation from irc (note: read the timestamps):
* Note: Poly's activity isn't as high as it was back on 2013-10-15. I'm not going to jump to conclusions. * - Update 12/31/2013: Poly's activity is basically 0 again. He doesn't even respond to my (and probably anyones) emails.
[2013-10-15 12:19:01] <@tidbit> long story short: poly ignored everyone for months, we took action and made a new forum. Poly came back (and has stayed back) since then fixing our complaints.
[2013-10-15 12:19:57] <@tidbit> so now we have two places to hang, one controlled mostly by the community (like 10+ people) and one only by poly.
[2013-10-15 12:21:15] <@tidbit> if you hate poly, move over. if you don't mind or want to give him another chance, use the old forum. Or use both
[2013-10-15 12:23:15] <+Tank^chillin> as the host of that site i will add this to tidbits skilled statement
[2013-10-15 12:23:32] <+Ronins> still, we're gonna have some problem porting over newbies
[2013-10-15 12:23:33] <+Tank^chillin> Both sites support Autohotkey
[2013-10-15 12:23:56] <+Tank^chillin> we are working on a plan to make old forum posts available
[2013-10-15 12:23:56] <@tidbit> Ronins: he has been surprisingly active for a month now though. But whatever
[2013-10-15 12:24:07] <+Tank^chillin> but he has
[2013-10-15 12:24:11] <+Tank^chillin> been active
[2013-10-15 12:24:24] <+Tank^chillin> and he has fixed alot of the issues
[2013-10-15 12:24:35] <@tidbit> taking the hate like a man too, not banning
[2013-10-15 12:24:37] <+Tank^chillin> but there are issues in the other site as well to be fair
[2013-10-15 12:25:32] <@tidbit> so I'll use both until there's an issue (he leaves for 6+ months again without fixing anything/replying to any email(s) I send)
* I removed some in-between chitchat just to show to info
(Poly = Polyethene, the only person in control on the other site) Edit: Wed March 26, 2014
Things seem to be changing for the better (start reading toward the bottom of page 2)
The quote & info will be kept for archival purposes. Edit: Mon May 05, 2014
Seems stuff has been put on halt without any info or explanation from Poly (he disappeared again...). To be continued. Edit: Wed May 28, 2014
Some other news has happened.. but not for the better. But I'm not going to point fingers or anything. Stay tuned? Edit: Fri September 19, 2014
Nothing new. Not even a peep from Poly. Edit: Fri March 13, 2015
Good news! 1.1+ is finally on .com and other good things are possibly under way!
No he didnt make me or alibaba to normal members.
That poly took part in discussion is awesome.
He awnsweres all our questions.
Poly never lied to defend himself
Poly is awesome.
I dont need to tell you that this is sarcasm or.
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 30 Oct 2013, 16:19
by tank
by the way i just got the old forum up till feb 2012
lets see what i can do with it
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 10:18
by smorgasbord
It takes a h*ll of helping out others + your own awesome knowledge + always behaving well ++++ other things et al. to get or be bestowed upon moderatorship.
And to remove OR strip the same (added) without any rationale at all is like the most hurtful thing imaginable to a moderator
But someone who got moderatorship recently will be not call a spade a spade directly since his own might be taken back.
Just my stupid views.. ignore ..
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 10:28
by smorgasbord
That short explanation above has only and only one thing against poly that is
"[2013-10-15 12:19:01] <@tidbit> long story short: poly ignored everyone for months,"
and nothing else against poly at all.
But actually there is LOT MORE to be spoken about and by LOT i mean L O T
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 10:38
by tank
there were valid reasons for Poly to be chosen. I do not think he has acted as Chris intended or beleived he would. I doubt Chris would confirm or deny such a thing if asked. he would only point back to his explaination for leaving. I blame myself for not stepping up at the time. in truth I am not surprised but i figured the damage wouldnt be as great
Chris wrote:As for transfer of the domain name, I'm not sure about that. Ideally, the domain name would be controlled by a very trustworthy organization to avoid the possibility that a single owner suddenly becomes unable to maintain it. I don't know if there is such an organization (if you know or you're willing to look into it, please let me know). If not, either the domain could be transferred to the new owner(s) or I could keep it as a precaution against it someday falling into the wrong hands. Alternatively, there could be a backup person who has access to the domain name in case of emergencies.
I had forgotten this line.. that means there may be hope that Chris retained ownership of the domain.
there are other things he said in that thread about possbily handing it over to an organization. Once we can set up a foundation ORG an official entity we should endeavor to make Chris (if we can find a way to make contact ) the official Chairman with no required duties ( just the necesary power to step in and override if needed) and build a board of trusted members that he feels good about as well.
Poly was in fact a good choice at the time because he had the experience and the relationship in the hosting of Autohotkey.net to make him the most likely trustworthy choice. the fact that he later pushed Sumon out when it is clear that Chris liked the multi site admin and openly supported Sumon makes a strong supportive argument. as well as an objective one.
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 12:06
by timeFlies
Long story short:
Mid-2009 - Chris lost interest in AutoHotkey. Lexikos began developing what was then a fork of AutoHotkey named AutoHotkey_L (AHK_L).
2009-2012 - AHK_L development flourished with many longtime desired functionality, such as Unicode, COM, arrays/objects and many others; some of which implemented by fellow community members. It had become the de-facto official AHK version.
2012 - Chris decided to transfer ownership of the domain and the data to polyethene (formerly known as Titan).
Mid-2012 - polyethene decided to "restore" the old 2009 AutoHotkey as the official version for still not understood reasons, removing all references to AHK_L in the main autohotkey.com site and performing questionable moderator actions. Immediate backslash ensued, and eventually a petition to finally make AutoHotkey_L the official version was made.
2011 - Lexikos started developing AutoHotkey v2-alpha.
Late 2012 - AutoHotkey_L became the official branch, now renamed to just "AutoHotkey" or AHK 1.1 to be specific. Lexikos officially became the AHK maintainer. Download links were updated accordingly.
Late 2012 - autohotkey.net was hacked and all files were lost.
2013 - polyethene became completely missing, meanwhile the old forum (which had gone through two upgrades, phpBB2->phpBB3->IP Boards) riddled in bugs [and suffered under Polyethene's censorship.]
October 2013 - tank stepped in, tired of the forum bugs, and created this site. The community flooded over here (including all prominent members such as Lexikos, SKAN, tidbit or many others), basically leaving autohotkey.com in a state of stagnation. Administration of ahkscript.org was defined to work in a cooperative way, with many people with varying power levels (instead of just forum moderators and site plenipotentiary).
Does anybody know how to contact Chris even?
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 12:39
by tank
i have found an old email address that i wont post here. but suffice to say if it works we need to first decide what we might say
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 12:50
by Guest
Just keep it short and simply point to a few discussions threads on both forums for background info + explain there is an interest in setting up an AHK organisation to ensure continued support for a forum and possible other related websites (code repositories, user pages etc). If he can be reached and is interested there is enough info in the various threads so he can be brought up to speed ...
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 12 Nov 2013, 11:05
by ruespe
I just got a notice from Chris about the forum-split. I think, that it's okay for him. He knows about the split and he thinks, it's the best way. And he knows, whats going on over there.
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 12 Nov 2013, 11:27
by tank
How did you contact him? Does he have any desire to have any official or unofficial role
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 07:45
by ruespe
Chris told me, that he contacted you directly. I hope, everything gets pretty well now
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 08:23
by tank
He did there is hope now for unity
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 23:46
by joedf
hmm, i thought that chris "died" and watched over us like a ghost...
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 23 Nov 2013, 10:01
by guest3456
tank wrote:He did there is hope now for unity
+11111111111111111111111111
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 00:54
by just me
What kind of 'unity'?
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 29 Nov 2013, 08:24
by nnnik
Unity of community.
Re: Basics as to why AHKSCRIPT exists
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 16:15
by Alibaba
that's good.
because you can't spell community without unity...
