Re: Is AHK dead? (not developed any more)
Posted: 09 Mar 2019, 17:10
I dont think anybody wants to prevent forks.
Let's help each other out
I believe the issue about new forks with AutoHotkey, center around using Visual Studio, C++, and the Windows OS. With AutoHotkey_L and AutoHotkey_H (to include v1 and v2 versions) for the Windows OS, it's hard for me to see a new fork getting any traction. The new fork would need to provide some different level of functionality, from what already exist. If not, it might arguably be better to contribute to AutoHotkey_L and AutoHotkey_H to make them better, since they are the main established branches.gregster wrote: ↑08 Mar 2019, 12:31kyuuuri, I appreciate your thoughts and your motivation to help. But we might have our different views what might be best for AHK. I still don't see the problem of forks - and I mentioned hosting relevant forks. Of course, we don't need every test or personal version that doesn't get any traction - but these problems will sort out itself. If there is no interest in a fork and it doesn't add extra value, it won't get much visibility. In the last ten years I have seen not one new fork here on the forum (or, I missed them because nobody cared) and I don't expect any to flood the forum now. Even if there would be one or two, discussions about these wouldn't likely happen in the 'Ask for Help' forum where new users start and no one would recommend or support these versions, if they don't add extra value or haven't proven some reliability or consistency.
But I think that for a complex project like this, experience is important (especially if we think about developping new talents for the future) and it would be better for people that never handled a software project of this size, to practice to maintain a version for some time - and for this the possibility of feedback from other users is good. Of course, this could strictly happen on github - but then again, most versions won't get much attention anyway.
If Lexikos or HotKeyit put out a new version, people know what they can expect (their versions are 10 years or older). If you or me would make a fork, people wouldn't care much unless we would do something really interesting, reliable and useful - and at least create the impression that we would support it for some time. If that would really happen, it is always good to have a record of it (as documented information, if someone wants to revisit an issue in five years or plans a specialised version that is only interesting for a few people), even if it has not a remote chance of ending up in the main version.
And we have seen with HotKeyit's and Lexikos' versions that cannibalisation is not necessarily an issue. Again, I would be surprised if we see more than one fork in the next years that will get any traction - and I wouldn't even bet that we see one (especially, when Lexikos returns). But forks as practice and getting experience - this I would like to see instead of more theorizing.
Sure, that is exactly what I was saying to the ones being afraid of forks - any new fork would need to be really useful to get traction. But then again, we have seen it before...
- I'm just going back to this 3rd post, which I thought was brilliant/hilarious and could sum up so many companies/institutions.zapax wrote: To be honest I don't believe in this 'large community'. Lexikos is/was(?) the steering wheel and the engine of this project.
Without him there's no vision, no direction, no development (no other contributors).
Community is big where the project is under constant development. Without progress community will vanish really quick (like in dead mmo games).
I'm just worried without engine and steering wheel there's only one direction a project can follow - down the hill right into the abyss.
Lexikos has returned. So are you going to change the title of this thread, "Is AHK dead? (not developed any more)"? Are you not pleased?
lexikos is the person that decides the entire code (either by modifying itself or accepting pull requests).Lexikos is THE ONLY contributor to AHK source code and therefore is the only person who matter FOR THIS TOPIC.
The title of your thread, "Is AHK dead?", is quite provocative. People can see that, even if you don't want to acknowledge the truth. The suggestion to change the title, is giving the opportunity to be less provocative and less inflammatory.zapax wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 08:31I'm glad he's ok.
"So are you going to change the title of this thread?"
Why would I do that? So that any post in this thread have no sense?
"Are you not pleased?"
What's your problem? Is it fun to you to attack random people in Internet? Do you have some issues you can't help?
"Not to mention, that HotKeyit (a developer) and AutoHotkey_H were present on this website all the while"
This thread was all about AutoHotkey_L and Lexikos condition. I'm sorry to hear you didn't understand that.
"In addition to other C++ developers who had volunteered to continue development, if Lexikos hadn't returned."
They volunteered because of THIS VERY topic. And it shown that there's no consensus, no vision and there are internal divisions and antipathy .
"And let us not forget the other AutoHotkey Foundation LLC members, tank and joedf were also active on this website all the while too."
Once again, this thread was all about AutoHotkey_L and Lexikos condition, not condition of this forum.
SOTE, you're so toxic person, what you showed clearly in this thread, that I'm so happy I have no more reasons to be on this board any more.
I hope I won't meet or deal with you or someone like you in the future.
Lexikos is indeed very important to the AHK community for his contributions. But, it has been explained in a number of parts on this thread, that he's not the only contributor. It's quite toxic and arguably disrespectful to say other contributors to AutoHotkey don't matter. And there were and are other forks of AutoHotkey, in which AutoHotkey_H is one.Lexikos is THE ONLY contributor to AHK source code and therefore is the only person who matter FOR THIS TOPIC.