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TIOBE Index

05 Apr 2019, 05:14

I wondered what people thought about the TIOBE Index. Is it a good measure, are there better measures?

TIOBE Index | TIOBE - The Software Quality Company
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

Btw:
Q: How may I nominate a new language to be added to the TIOBE index?
A: If a language meets the criteria of being listed (i.e. it is Turing complete and has an own Wikipedia entry that indicates that it concerns a programming language) and it is sufficiently popular (more than 5,000 hits for +"<language> programming" for Google), then please write an e-mail to [email protected].

AutoHotkey isn't currently on the list, because:
+"autohotkey programming"
About 3,820 results (0.39 seconds)
But it shouldn't take too much for AutoHotkey to reach 5000.
Perhaps we should talk about AutoHotkey programming more often, including on our individual websites.
Phrases like 'C++ programming' seem like a bit of a tautology though, because we know that it's a programming language.

Some of the other languages, already on the TIOBE Index, have hits below 5000.
I guess it depends on how the Google algorithm is feeling that day.
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Re: TIOBE Index

05 Apr 2019, 07:48

jeeswg wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 05:14
I wondered what people thought about the TIOBE Index. Is it a good measure, are there better measures?

TIOBE Index | TIOBE - The Software Quality Company
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

Btw:
Q: How may I nominate a new language to be added to the TIOBE index?
A: If a language meets the criteria of being listed (i.e. it is Turing complete and has an own Wikipedia entry that indicates that it concerns a programming language) and it is sufficiently popular (more than 5,000 hits for +"<language> programming" for Google), then please write an e-mail to [email protected].

AutoHotkey isn't currently on the list, because:
+"autohotkey programming"
About 3,820 results (0.39 seconds)
But it shouldn't take too much for AutoHotkey to reach 5000.
Perhaps we should talk about AutoHotkey programming more often, including on our individual websites.

Some of the other languages, already on the TIOBE Index, have hits below 5000.
I guess it depends on how the Google algorithm is feeling that day.




I don't know much about the TIOBE Index - although it looks pretty legit. When I asked regular users & staff on Discord about popular programming languages, this was the first site they referred me to (about a week ago).

Getting AutoHotkey to reach 5,000 hits with "autohotkey programming" should not be too hard, I agree, but let's take a step back and try to understand "how hard". Let's tackle this issue though using some logical reasoning other than "depends on how the Google algorithm is feeling that day". While Google appears to do things without reason, likely there is some direction behind those actions. Let's start with what TIOBE is requesting to consider a language like AutoHotkey a bonifide programming langage:

TIOBE wants the language to be "sufficiently popular"

Their test for AutoHotkey:
does searching for "autohotkey programming" in Google yield 5000+ results?? Nope. Only 3,940 results where I am (USA, 4/5/2019 @ 5 AM). I'm curious when and where you checked this, and if results are location-dependent (probably). Which shows another peice to the puzzle - where is TIOBE going to conduct their "popularity search test"? Looks like the are based out of the Netherlands. It likely would be beneficial if we could get someone to search from that location to check results - I may be able to act like my location is over there.. but Google is pretty good at spotting and spoofing this sort of work-around.

Welll anyway, let's assume we need ~1,000 more results to pop up when we search "autohotkey programming" in Google.

What we are doing here in the search engine is searching for an exact match phrase where order matters.

"autohotkey programming"

in that order. In other words, how many search results contain content that exactly match "autohotkey programming"?

Now, what needs to happen is quite obvious. More than 1,000 pages must be indexed by Google with the phrase "autohotkey programming".

For a good check - let's look at the top 10 search results that come up. I've bolded and capitalized all the exact match phrases "autohotkey programming" for easier visibility (thanks AutoHotkey :D
The actual results are slightly visually different because of that, but come in the same order and show the same words. Take a look at the top 10:




#1
[AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] + awesome-AutoHotkey list ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Scripts and Functions
Apr 18, 2014 - AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools The following are some useful user-contributed tools to facilitate the use of AutoHotkey. Quick tools ...
#2
The Future of the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Language - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Wish List
Apr 3, 2015 - Introduction. My frustration with the design of AutoHotkey has reached a peak recently. The interface of the new BoundFunc type is inconsistent ...
#3
What is the best editor for AutoHotkey? - Stack Overflow
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1238893/what-is-the-best-editor-for-autohotkey
11 answers
I am doing a bit of AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING, and being spoiled rotten by Visual Studio, I really miss these features - especially being new to the ...
#4
GitHub - Uberi/Parallelist: A simple parallelism library for AutoHotkey.
https://github.com/Uberi/Parallelist
Parallelist. A simple parallelism library for the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING language. Progress. This project is currently in progress and is suitable for testing and ...
#5
What is the closest programming language to the autohotkey ...
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#6
AutoHotKey - the Best Windows Tool - Shane Wray
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Oct 31, 2018 - run *RunAs “C:\Users\Shane Wray\OneDrive\AHK\Main.ahk” exitapp }. CategoriesSoftware TagsAHK, AutoHotKey, Programming, Windows ...
#7
RunAs with variables in AutoHotkey - Programming - Linus Tech Tips
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May 21, 2018 - 1 post - ‎1 author
Hey, Im currently trying to write a script to launch Internet Explorer as a different user, using variables from an inputbox as username and ...
#8
AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Questions Megathread - DonationCoder.com
www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=13344.0
May 13, 2008 - I didn't see an existing thread for questions about AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING, so I thought I'd start a catch-all here. Mouser, feel free to move this ...
#9
AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Computer Science Assignment Help ...
https://csprojecthelp.xyz › Computer Science Projects
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#10
AutoHotkey Snippets - Google Sites
https://sites.google.com/site/selflearningwindows/tools.../autohotkey-snippets?tmpl...
... and forums (see "See Also" links at the bottom) for solutions to pieces you also need. Related sources: AutoHotkey.com: [AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] ...






These are the kinds of most popular content showing up that match this phrase exactly.

Now let's check how much this site itself (AutoHotkey.com) is actually contributing to this number. I mean you would think it must be a lot right? I mean... this is the official AutoHotkey programming website right???????

WRONG

Wrong in the sense that this site isn't contributing much AT ALL.

How do we know this?

Using some more Google search operators, we search this in google:

site:autohotkey.com "autohotkey programming"


This brings up all autohotkey.com pages that are indexed by Google which contain that exact match phrase.

Guess how many results?

A measly 52! :wtf:

Lets look at the top 20 results from AutoHotkey.com - using this query - it will give us a picture of what pages hosted on this site are the most popular Google-indexed pages:






#1
[AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] + awesome-AutoHotkey list ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Scripts and Functions
Apr 18, 2014 - AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools The following are some useful user-contributed tools to facilitate the use of AutoHotkey. Quick tools ...
#2
The Future of the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Language - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Wish List
Apr 3, 2015 - Introduction. My frustration with the design of AutoHotkey has reached a peak recently. The interface of the new BoundFunc type is inconsistent ...
#3
Scripts and Functions - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey
Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:25 am. Topics. Replies: Views: Last post. [AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] + awesome-AutoHotkey list. by joedf » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:01 am.
#4
Video course about AutoHotkey - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › General › Offtopic
May 6, 2016 - There are many people who wants to learn AutoHotkey. I would like to find any video lessons about AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. Of course ...
#5
Programming language of AutoHotKey? - Programming - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › General › Programming
Jul 31, 2012 - Hi, everyone, I'm a newbie to AutoHotkey. :) I wish to include this AutoHotkey function in my final year project in my university. But I can't seem ...
#6
Object method list? - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Ask For Help
Jul 27, 2016 - But when i'm exploring COM I usually don't use ahk. Did you check the programing tools part of the forum? [AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools].
#7
[Tool] AHK-EXE-Swapper. Swap AHK version quickly! - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Scripts and Functions
Feb 6, 2015 - added to "[AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools]" (http://ahkscript.org/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3376). Image Windows 10 x64 Professional, Intel ...
#8
best utilities + best AutoHotkey scripts (+ useful tips ...
https://www.autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Tutorials
Feb 15, 2017 - This topic is very similar/identical to awesome AutoHotkey and AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools - Why inventing the wheel over and over again ...
#9
conversion logic, v1 = -> v1 - AutoHotkey
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › AutoHotkey v2 Development
Jan 28, 2017 - See this also: The Future of the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Language - AutoHotkey Community https://autohotkey.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t= ...
#10
Datatypes in AHK? - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Ask For Help
Jun 6, 2018 - original_url := "http://autohotkey.com" shortcode := "ahk" description := "AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING community" if ( shortcode != "Shortcode" ){ ...
#11
Can't open program - Ask for Help - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › AutoHotkey › Ask for Help
Jan 3, 2012 - 2 posts - ‎2 authors
http://www.autohotke...title=Tutorials There are lots of scripts here in the forums that you can use to help learn AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING as well.
#12
What is the keycode for the following keys? - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Ask For Help
Oct 23, 2017 - Hi guys. I use AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING, and I Know that the (C) key code is {VK43}, the (X) key code is {VK58}. Please I want to know the code ...
#13
Driving autohotkey with java? - Ask for Help - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › AutoHotkey › Ask for Help
Sep 14, 2013 - Hello,. I'm a java programmer and the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING language does not meet my needs. I'm writing a very complex automation ...
#14
where can i find source code of latest autohotkey? - Programming ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › General › Programming
Apr 23, 2014 - Follow the download link on the homepage to http://ahkscript.org/download/. There you will find a link to Source code of current version ...
#15
Code Protection - Ask for Help - AutoHotkey Community
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Jul 13, 2012 - 11 posts - ‎8 authors
Uberi made use of the following aspects of the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING language to create that obfuscated snippet: 1 - The chr() function: A ...
#16
Mechwarrior Online launch script by x360maddenx - Gaming Scripts ...
https://autohotkey.com › ... › AutoHotkey › Scripts and Functions › Gaming Scripts
Nov 27, 2012 - tags: mechwarrior online cryengine video gaming game mech warrior script ahk AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING basic pixelgetcolor login launch ...
#17
Drop down menu option select without pressing Tab button ...
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Oct 28, 2014 - 1 post - ‎1 author
I want to press only F2 button to run my ahk script on other mentioned browsers. I have a less knowledge on AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. Please ...
#18
How to select an option from a drop down menu? - Ask for Help ...
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Oct 30, 2014 - I dont have a very good knowledge about AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. I want to make a script that select a specific option from a drop down menu ...
#19
How to Use wglUseFontOutlines in AutoHotkey - Programming ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › General › Programming
Mar 13, 2015 - Hi, Can anyone tell me how to use truetype fonts in OpenGL? I already used Bitmap fonts but since i can't rotate the text I have to use tuetype ...
#20
Search string in a windows - Ask for Help - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › AutoHotkey › Ask for Help
Nov 19, 2009 - Search string in a windows - posted in Ask for Help: Hi Im newby in AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. After searching in the documentation and the ...






Rather interesting. If you notice - the top two results contain title tags with the exact match phrase. This means Page Titles that contain this within the first ~60-70 characters are going to have a higher change of getting indexed in Google here. All the rest of the results contain the exact match phrase within the meta description (which is likely pulled from the content of the page).

Bad news is that nearly all of these results are all pages that have been published 6+ years ago.

When narrowing my search down to all results published within the last 6 years, I only get these 11 results:





#1
[AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] + awesome-AutoHotkey list ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Scripts and Functions
Apr 18, 2014 - AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools The following are some useful user-contributed tools to facilitate the use of AutoHotkey. Quick tools ...
#2
The Future of the AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Language - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Wish List
Apr 3, 2015 - Introduction. My frustration with the design of AutoHotkey has reached a peak recently. The interface of the new BoundFunc type is inconsistent with the Func ...
#3
Video course about AutoHotkey - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › General › Offtopic
May 6, 2016 - There are many people who wants to learn AutoHotkey. I would like to find any video lessons about AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. Of course, standard chm-help ...
#4
where can i find source code of latest autohotkey? - Programming ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › General › Programming
Apr 23, 2014 - Follow the download link on the homepage to http://ahkscript.org/download/. There you will find a link to Source code of current version 1.1.14.03 on ...
#5
[Tool] AHK-EXE-Swapper. Swap AHK version quickly! - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Scripts and Functions
Feb 6, 2015 - added to "[AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools]" (http://ahkscript.org/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3376). Image Windows 10 x64 Professional, Intel i5-8500 @ 3.00 ...
#6
Posts - AutoHotkey
https://www.autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Tutorials
Feb 15, 2017 - [AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] - AutoHotkey Community ..... of AutoHotkey to attract non-AHK users, AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools should be a list, to help ...
#7
What is the keycode for the following keys? - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Ask For Help
Oct 23, 2017 - Hi guys. I use AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING, and I Know that the (C) key code is {VK43}, the (X) key code is {VK58}. Please I want to know the code of the following ...
#8
best utilities + best AutoHotkey scripts (+ useful tips ...
https://autohotkey.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=28149
Feb 15, 2017 - ... library distributions, scripts, tools and resources. https://github.com/ahkscript/awesome-AutoHotkey [AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] - AutoHotkey Community
#9
Drop down menu option select without pressing Tab button ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › AutoHotkey › Suggestions
Oct 28, 2014 - 1 post - ‎1 author
I want to press only F2 button to run my ahk script on other mentioned browsers. I have a less knowledge on AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. Please help me to solve ...
#10
How to select an option from a drop down menu? - Ask for Help ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › AutoHotkey › Ask for Help
Oct 30, 2014 - I dont have a very good knowledge about AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. I want to make a script that select a specific option from a drop down menu in a web form.
#11
populate combobox from a text file - Ask for Help - AutoHotkey ...
https://autohotkey.com › AutoHotkey Community › AutoHotkey › Ask for Help
Jun 5, 2014 - 6 posts - ‎4 authors
populate combobox from a text file - posted in Ask for Help: Hi, Im new to AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. Please help me. Im trying to create a script to populate ...






Looking within the last 4 years only reveals 3 results!





#1
Video course about AutoHotkey - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › General › Offtopic
May 6, 2016 - There are many people who wants to learn AutoHotkey. I would like to find any video lessons about AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING. Of course, standard chm-help ...
#2
best utilities + best AutoHotkey scripts (+ useful tips ...
https://www.autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Tutorials
Feb 15, 2017 - [AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools] - AutoHotkey Community ..... of AutoHotkey to attract non-AHK users, AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING Tools should be a list, to help ...
#3
What is the keycode for the following keys? - AutoHotkey Community
https://autohotkey.com › Board index › AutoHotkey › Ask For Help
Oct 23, 2017 - Hi guys. I use AUTOHOTKEY PROGRAMMING, and I Know that the (C) key code is {VK43}, the (X) key code is {VK58}. Please I want to know the code of the following ...







After this exploration - it appears that it may be quite difficult for us to publish new content containing the exact match keyword "autohotkey programming" on this site that is popular and gets enough traffic for Google to want to index it. To acheive our end goal, it may be much more reliant on content hosted off-site (not located at autohotkey.com).

However, autohotkey.com as far as I know has never hosted a blog. This could and (I think definitely) would bring in more traffic related to that keyword, but also many other important keywords. By providing interesting content here at autohotkey.com (on-site), we could leverage this to build quality backlinks, increase traffic, improve user engagement, and thereby eventually increasing our measly 52-page contribution to much higher levels. This on-site content needs to be GOOD. It needs to be edited by someone with knowledge in SEO and content writing - but also needs to be quality coding tutorials, tips, tricks, info, industry related, videos, interactive, and the list could go on, but I think you get the point. The code needs to be decent. The writing needs to be well-written, and the associated content on the page also needs to be interesting/engaging. This could be a team of people, which I think should exist at some point in the near future (if we organize this group - any volunteers?). Given that I have a background in SEO and marketing, I'd be happy to help with the marketing research that would be involved when publishing these posts. I am faily new at coding though, so while I may be able to come with ideas and do research, I wouldn't write compelling code that other way more talented individuals on this forum are capable of.

*note: yes there are millions of forums posts with content - however, forum posts in Google's eyes are good, BUT they don't usually count forum posts much if you compare the power of a forum post vs. a standalone blog article on a website, or other product-related (e.g. AutoHotkey) landing pages.

Now for off-site content. Basically the same merit holds here - however off-site content is going to be seen as more authentic, genuine content on the subject. Those with sites dedicated to AutoHotkey could help us with this effort by trying to write this exact match phrase "autohotkey programming" in more of their posts. Even better, have them dedicate a sole blog post on "autohotkey programming". Make a pillar post: meaning a 3,000-10,000+ word article mega-guide that covers everything one could/should learn about AutoHotkey. (Doing this same technique on-site will also garner a ton of traffic and boost AutoHotkey.com's domain authority over time - and is recommended).

By building a network of internal and external links from within autohotkey.com and outside of autohotkey.com, both to and from the site, and to and from other unaffiliated sites,
this will surely help grow AutoHotkey's userbase, along with helping solve the issue of it not passing the test to be listed on TIOBE.

I forsee this taking about 2 - 5 years to happen if minial effort is taken, 1 - 3 if moderate action is take, and 1/2 - 2 years if major action is taken. Of course these are all predictions based on experience. I do not have any background in marketing programming languages.. so there could be a whole lot more at play here that I haven't taken the time to analyze.




I'll let us mull on this post for awhile and see if any patterns or ideas pop up that help us further get closer to reaching the goal of becoming more recognized as a safe, useful, powerful, and "real" programming langauge. I've just typed a lot and did some on-the-spot analysis of my findings. No doubt more patterns and ideas will emerge.


What are your thoughts AHK community? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :?: :idea: :idea: :wave:
-TL
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Re: TIOBE Index

05 Apr 2019, 09:05

My AutoHotkey hits result was taken from the UK at the time I posted.

Re. 'it depends on how the Google algorithm is feeling that day':

+"autoit programming" right now is consistently yo-yoing between 2,390 and 2,530.

Results can vary wildly during the course of a day, I suggest regular printscreening.

Also:
Q: What happened to Java in April 2004? Did you change your methodology?
A: No, we did not change our methodology at that time. Google changed its methodology. They performed a general sweep action to get rid of all kinds of web sites that had been pushed up. As a consequence, there was a huge drop for languages such as Java and C++. In order to minimize such fluctuations in the future, we added two more search engines (MSN and Yahoo) a few months after this incident.
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Re: TIOBE Index

05 Apr 2019, 10:12

We should ask tiobe to consider AutoHotkey as a scripting language and thus search for scripting instead of programming
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Re: TIOBE Index

09 Apr 2019, 05:00

nnnik wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 10:12
We should ask tiobe to consider AutoHotkey as a scripting language and thus search for scripting instead of programming


unfortunately, that yields less results (USA, 4/9/2019 @ 3 AM):

"autohotkey scripting"
About 96 results

"autohotkey programming"
About 4,100 results


This is a big difference in a few days from my last record (+160 indexed pages) - it's only been 4 days. I'll continue to monitor this. Looks like AutoIT is yo-yoing in a similar range though as you mentioned.
Only 3,940 results where I am (USA, 4/5/2019 @ 5 AM)

jeeswg wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 09:05
My AutoHotkey hits result was taken from the UK at the time I posted.

Re. 'it depends on how the Google algorithm is feeling that day':

+"autoit programming" right now is consistently yo-yoing between 2,390 and 2,530.

Results can vary wildly during the course of a day, I suggest regular printscreening.

Also:
Q: What happened to Java in April 2004? Did you change your methodology?
A: No, we did not change our methodology at that time. Google changed its methodology. They performed a general sweep action to get rid of all kinds of web sites that had been pushed up. As a consequence, there was a huge drop for languages such as Java and C++. In order to minimize such fluctuations in the future, we added two more search engines (MSN and Yahoo) a few months after this incident.
Looks like AutoIT is on the TIOBE index. Do you think we should also be checking MSN and Yahoo? Bing is worthy.. but MSN? idk. Most marketing reports I do only focus on Google, Bing and Yahoo since they are the most popular (in most of the world it seems anyways)..........


okay nvm just stumbled upon this:
Since there are many questions about the way the TIOBE index is assembled, a special page is devoted to its definition. Basically the calculation comes down to counting hits for the search query

+"<language> programming"
In the next few sections it is explained what search engines qualify, what programming languages qualify and how the ratings are exactly calculated.

Search Engines
There are 25 search engines that are used to calculate the TIOBE index. The selected search engines are the 25 highest ranked websites of Alexa that meet the following conditions:

The entry page of the site contains a search facility
The result of querying the site contains an indication of the number of page hits
The results should be available in HTML with clear tags
Search engines in languages with special characters should be encoded properly
The search engine should at least return 1 hit for 1 query
The results of querying the site shouldn't contain too many outliers
Porn sites are excluded
Based on these criteria the following search engines are qualified:

Google.com: 7.69%
Baidu.com: 7.38%
Wikipedia.org: 7.08%
Yahoo.com: 6.77%
Csdn.net: 6.46%
Google.co.in: 6.15%
Google.com.hk: 5.85%
Ebay.com: 5.54%
Bing.com: 5.23%
Msn.com: 4.92%
Google.co.jp: 4.62%
Google.de: 4.31%
Google.com.br: 4.00%
Google.ru: 3.69%
Google.fr: 3.38%
Hao123.com: 3.08%
Amazon.in: 2.77%
Google.it: 2.46%
Amazon.co.uk: 2.15%
Google.co.uk: 1.85%
Google.es: 1.54%
Google.cn: 1.23%
Google.com.mx: 0.92%
Ebay.de: 0.62%
Google.com.tr: 0.31%
Looks like Google is the only one we really need to be checking - however there are several Googles based on different regions.
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Re: TIOBE Index

10 Apr 2019, 06:19

"autohotkey scripting"
About 84,900 results???? not sure why this was so much lower for me the other day..

"autohotkey programming"
About 4,270 results (+170)

(USA, 4/10/2019 @ 4:20 AM)
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Re: TIOBE Index

11 Apr 2019, 23:38

"autohotkey scripting"
About 69 results

"autohotkey programming"
About 4,370 results (+100)


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Re: TIOBE Index

14 Apr 2019, 03:26

"autohotkey scripting"
About 93 results

"autohotkey programming"
About 4,130 results (-240)


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Re: TIOBE Index

14 Apr 2019, 03:39

- I just saw 4,500 for +"autohotkey programming".
- Btw I've noticed regular fluctuations even within a day. E.g. for +"autoit programming" I saw:
2019-04-10 11:05:33 11,300
2019-04-10 12:27:05 2,460
- I.e. sometimes I've seen the numbers roughly 4 times smaller than at other times. And for AutoIt, it's jumped between roughly those 2 numbers.
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Re: TIOBE Index  Topic is solved

22 Apr 2019, 12:07

I searched earlier today and got 5,000+ results.
+"autohotkey programming"
About 5,190 results (0.24 seconds)
I also got confirmation that AutoHotkey will be added to the list of programming languages as of the next publications. The first one is to be expected in the beginning of May. Cheers.
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Re: TIOBE Index

22 Apr 2019, 12:30

Progression (BST time zone):
2019-04-05 11:12:08 3820
2019-04-06 09:52:09 3790
2019-04-12 06:16:25 4030
2019-04-12 11:12:42 4070
2019-04-12 20:12:21 4050
2019-04-14 09:30:38 4500
2019-04-15 08:49:43 4600
2019-04-15 13:03:30 4340
2019-04-16 13:58:00 4750
2019-04-17 12:14:49 4760
2019-04-19 15:42:34 4860
2019-04-19 23:02:30 4900
2019-04-20 21:13:11 4650
2019-04-21 18:11:21 4740
2019-04-22 01:02:26 5190
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Re: TIOBE Index

01 Jul 2019, 14:16

jeeswg wrote:
22 Apr 2019, 12:07
I searched earlier today and got 5,000+ results.
+"autohotkey programming"
About 5,190 results (0.24 seconds)
I also got confirmation that AutoHotkey will be added to the list of programming languages as of the next publications. The first one is to be expected in the beginning of May. Cheers.
Woohoo - great news :D
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Re: TIOBE Index

01 Jul 2019, 15:05

From my computer using google:

autohotkey scripting
About 669,000 results (0.47 seconds)

autohotkey programming
About 722,000 results (0.43 seconds)

Your search results are weighted by your profile somehow.
If i search from another computer it will be different.
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Re: TIOBE Index

06 Jul 2019, 10:08

@Tigerlily: Yes, we have been successful. Yippee!

@Xtra: As I quoted in the OP:
sufficiently popular (more than 5,000 hits for +"<language> programming" for Google)
So the search must be for:
+"autohotkey programming" - Google Search
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2B%22autohotkey+programming%22

Although, since TIOBE lists AHK as an alias for AutoHotkey, this may also be acceptable:
+"ahk programming" - Google Search
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2B%22ahk+programming%22
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Re: TIOBE Index

06 Jul 2019, 11:38

ahk programming
About 152,000 results (0.64 seconds)
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Re: TIOBE Index

06 Jul 2019, 11:45

Xtra wrote:
06 Jul 2019, 11:38
ahk programming
About 152,000 results (0.64 seconds)
No, the " " around it are meant literally. This is a search engine option...
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en wrote:Search for an exact match
Put a word or phrase inside quotes. For example, "tallest building".
That's what they want:
jeeswg wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 05:14
TIOBE Index | TIOBE - The Software Quality Company
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

Btw:
Q: How may I nominate a new language to be added to the TIOBE index?
A: If a language meets the criteria of being listed (i.e. it is Turing complete and has an own Wikipedia entry that indicates that it concerns a programming language) and it is sufficiently popular (more than 5,000 hits for +"<language> programming" for Google), then please write an e-mail to [email protected].
Afaik, the + sign as an option is ignored anyway nowadays on Google - but it might still be a thing on the other search engines, I don't know...

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