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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by Ragnar » 29 Jan 2020, 16:42

https://ahkscript.github.io/ko/docs/ works now. Don't forget to replace each occurrence of http://autohotkeykr.sourceforge.net/docs/ with it.

Little tip: If someone decides to translate the docs, I strongly recommend CAT tools such as OmegaT (available for free), which makes the translation work much easier. For example, the German docs were translated with OmegaT.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by joedf » 29 Jan 2020, 17:04

Thanks, I've updated the website links. Also cool translation tool! I've never heard of it. I'll definitely give it a try. :+1:

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by SOTE » 30 Jan 2020, 13:28

Ragnar, great work.

Hey guys, I don't know if the issue is related or is just transitional, but it seems like the AHK v1 English Online AutoHotkey Help is not showing properly. Don't know if it's just on my end, or something bigger.

Also, if you start from the English (EN) Online Document, you can see the German (DE), and the Chinese (ZH), but not the Korean (KO). However, if you start from the Korean (KO), you can see the other Online Help Documents (EN, DE, ZH).

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Re: A Korean Forum?

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by SOTE » 01 Feb 2020, 20:19

joedf wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 14:06
This is transitional. Please refer to:
https://github.com/Lexikos/AutoHotkey_L-Docs/pull/393#commits-pushed-437909f
Edited. Not a problem. Please proceed.
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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by Ragnar » 02 Feb 2020, 04:31

I'm not sure what exactly your problem is, but usually all types of docs are displayed correctly in any common browser. Which browser do you use? What do you see when you open a document? Do you see any error messages in the browser console, if available (press F12)? Which operating system do you use?

To link an English document, you should use the official autohotkey.com domain. For example: https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/Return.htm.

To work with the document files, you should use https://github.com/Lexikos/AutoHotkey_L-Docs.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by SOTE » 02 Feb 2020, 06:11

Ragnar wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 04:31
I'm not sure what exactly your problem is, but usually all types of docs are displayed correctly in any common browser. Which browser do you use? What do you see when you open a document? Do you see any error messages in the browser console, if available (press F12)? Which operating system do you use?
Apologies, this was a temporary problem with settings on a firewall. No problem accessing the English Online Help.

Though, when you guys get to it, would hope a link could be made for the Korean Online translation from the English Online Help.

Thanks.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by Ragnar » 02 Feb 2020, 07:01

SOTE wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 06:11
Though, when you guys get to it, would hope a link could be made for the Korean Online translation from the English Online Help.
This will happen if Lexikos merges the pull request mentioned by joedf.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by SOTE » 22 May 2021, 18:10

joedf wrote:
11 Dec 2019, 09:40
I'm not suprised South Korea to #1, especially with one of the largest competitive gaming (as gregster mentioned) countries, focusing on things like APM, team strategy, etc.
USA might be larger in terms of norminal values / Sheer amount: say revenue, amount of players. South Korean also has a much higher "online" or "internet population" ratio.

Here's the traffic (top 5) for authotkey.com (for the past month):

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Country / Region	Traffic
United States       12,337,721
France              3,530,840
Germany             3,182,540
Hong Kong           2,958,690
Russian Federation  2,358,683
Anyway, I dunno :P
The thing about AutoHotkey's popularity in other languages and other countries, is where people might go. For example, Korean speakers have a number of AutoHotkey related sites they can visit. For example, https://cafe.naver.com/ahklab (in addition to the linked AutoHotkey.co.kr). So they might not necessarily all come here (AutoHotkey.com), despite how nicely accommodating this site is with different language subforums.

That's why having translations of the AutoHotkey help file is also a big advantage too. Despite where they might go, the level of consistency and knowledge given in the help documentation can be similar and very useful. If that foreign language speaker used nothing else but the help document (let's say the Korean one for example- https://ahkscript.github.io/ko/docs/AutoHotkey.htm), then that's still one more person AutoHotkey has helped.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by joedf » 23 May 2021, 09:06

Neat site! And yes I agree, I'm glad we at least that the help translation you mentioned. I'm still very very solely working on the French translation, feels like a monumental task... I also feel like we should have japanese for some reason... I think I've seen some wiki
and misc stuff that seemed to be active. :think:

Improvements to be made over time... But that's okay for now, as long we have autohotkey.com online I'm pretty happy. :+1:

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by garry » 25 May 2021, 03:40

some links from Japan / Nippon
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http://yamori-jp.blogspot.com/
Effective use of conversion / non-conversion keys with AutoHotKey
http://yamori-jp.blogspot.com/2020/09/autohotkey.html
http://yamori-jp.blogspot.com/2020/09/autohotkey.html#more
https://github.com/yamorijp/autohotkey-jpkb
-- GitHub - yamorijp/autohotkey-jpkb: autohotkey script
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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by joedf » 25 May 2021, 08:14

There's also this one which I had in mind: http://ahkwiki.net/Top
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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by SOTE » 25 May 2021, 20:00

joedf wrote:
25 May 2021, 08:14
There's also this one which I had in mind: http://ahkwiki.net/Top
:think:
I see you are trying to push forward with Japan. You should have access to the data and views, so that would probably give the best indicator of what country to target next. I don't know if that points to Japan or not.

The issue is a kind of "What comes first the chicken or the egg?" type of problem. There does not appear to be the same level of grassroots support or long sustained history for AutoHotkey, like say there is in Korea/with Korean. Part of that might be cultural or about awareness. Japanese IT personnel and programmers are known for utilizing English based materials, in English. Even going so far as taking IT/computer related technical exams in English, as oppose to in their native Japanese. So various native Japanese speakers might be enjoying AutoHotkey directly in English. Those that are not bilingual to such a level, might be looking towards percieved established or "proper" programming languages that are more corporate approved such as C++, C#, Python, Ruby, etc... Additionally, it can also be that those so interested in such programming pursuits can be proportionally fewer than in other countries.

The website you posted hasn't been updated since 2014 (http://ahkwiki.net/Top), and then refers to an even older website that hasn't been updated since 2011 (https://sites.google.com/site/autohotkeyjp/). And that ahkwiki link for Japanese has been on the main AutoHotkey page as far back as I can remember, and it doesn't look like it has help to get activity. There is a possibility that if you link to it on the forums, that the exposure will help. But, that looks like a gamble. There are some Japanese AutoHotkey boards with recent activity, but they can come along with branding issues. They are not on dedicated websites or blogs for just clearly AutoHotkey or just programming, like the case for AutoHotkey.co.kr, so could create some unexpected controversy or negative image issues.

If you do decide to push onward, maybe it would be better to establish a Japanese subforum here (not a link), with an added call for those that will translate the newer AutoHotkey help file from English to Japanese (plus maybe send out some emails or messages to help stir interest or ask for moderators). But, this might be troublesome, unless you are seeing significant interest towards the idea.

A Japanese translation of the help for a very old version of AutoHotkey is here, https://www6.atwiki.jp/eamat/pub/AhkHelp/AhkHelpJP_20090702.zip. Parts of more recent versions of the AutoHotkey help is translated from Japanese in various bits and pieces, in several places on the internet, but nothing like a complete updated .chm or .pdf (that I know of) other than what I linked to.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by joedf » 26 May 2021, 19:48

I dont feel too strongly about japanese but if we have someone that can hanlde it then great... but looking at traffic it would probably mean Hindu and Swedish first.... but I dont know if we can do that either...
so I guess in light of what you've presented (great work btw) ... we'll just leave things as is for now... :?

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by SOTE » 26 May 2021, 20:47

joedf wrote:
26 May 2021, 19:48
I dont feel too strongly about japanese but if we have someone that can hanlde it then great... but looking at traffic it would probably mean Hindu and Swedish first.... but I dont know if we can do that either...
so I guess in light of what you've presented (great work btw) ... we'll just leave things as is for now... :?
Hindi could be huge. It's number 3 or 4 (depends) on various lists as the most spoken language in the world, behind just English and Chinese (or Spanish). The push by India into IT and programming is massive, to include RDA/RPA. When you just look for programming or RDA/RPA videos on YouTube, you often get hit with many Hindi videos. AutoHotkey and the RDA/RPA connection is maybe something to push more. The thing with India is that English is one of their national languages, so usually they shouldn't have a problem with English. But English is kind of tricky too, because it's the international business language of the world, many people study or claim to speak it, but actuality and being fluent is another matter. Especially when it comes to technical material.

By the way, Japanese is around number 9 in the world in terms of most spoken languages and has left a clear technological mark on the world, so the argument is definitely there to add it. In the case of both, Hindi and Japanese, I think it might be a matter of getting people to volunteer as moderators and/or translators. You could put a post on the Other Languages subforums that you are looking for Hindi and Japanese moderators and translators for say 1 or 2 months and then see what kind of response that you get. Based on the response (for this year), that could decide it.

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Re: A Korean Forum?

Post by joedf » 30 May 2021, 21:10

Sounds good, i've added the "Looking for Volunteers in other languages" section. :+1:

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